RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference?

[johntrix]

chick feeds are more expensive than hogs feeds. depende kung anong stage pero ang pinakamahal is the chick booster and starter - mga P300-500 difference sa hog feeds. i might try to combine chick starter mash + hog starter pellets -- chick grower mash+hog grower pellets... just thinking lang baka magtae ang baboy if hog+chick feeds are combined. doc any comment?

[nemo]

By mixing different feeds you are then upsetting the balance of the ration. Rather than do it why not look for a more cheaper brand of feeds or you could try to use the less expensive product of the same feed company. Usually they have class 1 / premier, class 2 / regular etc...

[doods]

doc,
   good day po...doc ang adlib po ba ang pagpapakain ng marami sa alaga,halimbawa nagpapakain ako 3kilo sa aking 10 biik ng prestarter sa loob ng isang araw at ibibigay ko ito ng isang beses lang sa umaga lang adlib po ba ang tawag dito at ok lang po ba kung ganito ang gagawin ko?

[nemo]

hindi pa rin considered na adlib ito kasi hanggang 3 kilos lang ang pwede nila makain.
pag adlib kasi free access sila sa pagkain hanggat gusto nila kumain bibigyan mo sila.
Sa malalaking babuyan meron silang automatik feeder. nkalagay dun ay isang sakong feeds at kapag nagutom ang baboy pupunta lang sila sa pakainan at kakain.


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it is not adlib because you restricted their food for 3 kilos.

Ad lib means given them food as long as they want , or they have access to food everytime they want to eat.

[johntrix]

sa adlib doc nasabi nyo na ang benefits lang nito compare sa restricted feeding ay ang pagkakapareho ng ng sizes ng fattener at hindi pagaagawan sa oras ng pagkain.  i mean pigs are pigs they will eat and eat and just excrete it. so mas maraming makokonsumo ito compare sa restricted. so if there's no huge difference in live weight results then it is better to use restricted feeding... just a thought.

[nemo]

Actually it is a misconception that pig just eat and eat then secrete. They will only eat what their body needs. Once they have satisfy that need they will stop to eat.

We assume that they do nothing but eat because the only time we visit them is when it is feeding time...

and this is not a good practice, we should visit the animal atleast every 3 hours( 6 am , 9 am, 12 nn, 3 pm, 6 pm) and spend there for not less than 10 minutes per visit, this is per my opinion only.

[johntrix]

i am attending to my piggery almost half of my day  kaso doc following feed recomendations eg: starter =1kg, grower=2kg, finisher=3kg per head and using adlib and they can actually consume more. and i said wait a minute i think i should pour water na lang feed them 3 times a day. and it made me think twice when u say there's no difference much in live weight at the end but only the feed expenses being consumed... hay 

[nemo]

Yup, welcome to the intricacy of swine raising!!! Akala nang iba madali lang pero there are times na medyo nakakahilo.

Other advantage nalang ng ad lib is that when your pig are uniform in size you will have a uniform bracket in terms of pricing. Some biyahero have different pricing depending on the size of the animal.

Example: if the animal is 75 kg below the price is 70 pesos, if it is 85-86 it is around 72 pesos, etc...

In essence naman both ad lib and restricted are okay to use it will depend nalang tlaga sa situation.

[BUDS]

hindi pa rin considered na adlib ito kasi hanggang 3 kilos lang ang pwede nila makain.
pag adlib kasi free access sila sa pagkain hanggat gusto nila kumain bibigyan mo sila.
Sa malalaking babuyan meron silang automatik feeder. nkalagay dun ay isang sakong feeds at kapag nagutom ang baboy pupunta lang sila sa pakainan at kakain.


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it is not adlib because you restricted their food for 3 kilos.

Ad lib means given them food as long as they want , or they have access to food everytime they want to eat.

doc...
   confusel lang po....pag ad lib po ibig sabihin hahayaan lang na kumain ang baboy hanggang sa masatisfy ito yun po ang ibig sabihin nito tama po ba?when it comes naman po sa nag-aalaga di naman po kaya lugi pagdating sa sa feed cunsumption kasi hahayaang mo lang kumain ang baboy hanggat gusto nila di po ba?and most important doc yung araw panahon na sinusunod mo doon sa feeding program na binigay sa'yo ng feeds company pano po pagnakunsumo na nila yung ilang sako na feeds na dapat hindi pa,oorder nanaman po ba muli?or simple jump to next stage of feeding kahit na wala pa sa panahon at edad ang baboy?thank you po doc...

[nemo]

Usually in adlib there is a special feeder on which you can put the feed and the animal will just hit the feeder so feeds will be dispense.

In terms of feeds consumption so far ala naman akong nakilala na nagreklamo na nalugi sila kasi kain ng kain yun baboy.

Pagnaconsume na nila yung recommended na dami ng feeds as a group next stage na ng feeding.
Ex. if assuming 1 pig needs 60 kgs of grower feed. if you have 10 pigs then they will eat as a group around 600 kgs or 12 bags. once naubos na yan shift na to finisher regardless of age and weight.

Some farm naman ang feeding program is based on months. 1 month starter feed, 1 and 1/2 month grower feeds and 2 weeks of finisher feeds. Whether lagpas sila ng sa recommended or not they will shift according to the number of days na kumakain ang baboy ng particular na feeds.
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Usually in adlib there is a special feeder on which you can put the feed and the animal will just hit the feeder so feeds will be dispense.

In terms of feeds consumption so far i have never met a person that is suffered losses because of this system of feeding.

Usually if the animal already consumed the recommended feed allowance then they will shift to the next stage.

Ex. if assuming 1 pig needs 60 kgs of grower feed. if you have 10 pigs then they will eat as a group around 600 kgs or 12 bags. once the animal consumed all this you will shift to the next feed.

Some farm based their feeding program on months/days.  1 month starter feed, 1 and 1/2 month grower feeds and 2 weeks of finisher feeds. Whether they consume or not the  recommended feed allowance  they will shift according to the number of days.

[johntrix]

sa normal program doc.. di naman sinasabi kung anong ways ang gagamitin Adlib or restricted. so normal po 500g=Prestarter 28days, 1kg=starter 30days, 2kg=grower 30days, 3kg= finisher 14days. now my question doc is, if we use feeder definitely mas maaga nilang mauubos ang group kgs ng feeds sa given time table. so in adlib masisira ang given feed intake daily sa timetable. ok lang po ba na magshift ng maaga kahit ang recommended ng feeds ko ay 30 days dapat? second) if that happens na naubos nila ng mas maaga ang feeds sa suppose timetable, mas maaga ko rin dapat ibenta ang mga fatteners as long as naubos na nila ang last stage FINISHER feeds kahit a month akong behind sa time table? is this making sense doc, wat do u think doc?

[nemo]

I get your point.

Yes you can shift already once you have consumed the total feed needed for that stage.

You can sell it early if the animal consumed already all the recommended feed intake.

Idea lang, kapag mabilis lumaki ang baboy at pataas ang presyo ng baboy pwede ka pang magextend ng days ng pakain kasi malamang tutubo ka pa.

But if price ng pig ay low at naubos na yun feeds, sell it nalang. kung hindi naman siya mabigat at pabagsak ang presyo ng baboy sell it. Kasi kahit pakainin mo pa siya kung talagang bansutin siya mahihirapan na silang lumaki.

Kung  pataas naman ang presyo ng baboy at magaan sila pwede ka pang sumugal na pakainin ang baboy kahit nareach na niya yun recommended dami ng feeds na kakainin.

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Yes you can shift already once you have consumed the total feed needed for that stage.

You can sell it early if the animal consumed already all the recommended feed intake.

Just an idea, if the animal is fast grower and the price of pigs is going up you can extend the feeding days because it possible that you could earn more.

But if price of pig is low and the animal already consumed all the allocated feed, then sell it nalang.
If the weight of the animal is not that good and the price of pig is going down and it already consumed the allocated feeds, then sell it already.

If the weight of the animal is not that good but the price of pig is going up, you could still continue feeding it even it have already consumed its allocated feed.  In this situation you are hoping that the animal could gain enough weight to earn extra from it.

[johntrix]

so it means po ba na timetable is not that important. all matters is the feed intake being consumed. kase po kaya ko nasabi na mas magastos ang adlib kase mas maaga nilang nauubos ang given feed intake versus sa complete days given. for example sa starter feeds - 30 days dapat, kaso nauubos na nila ang feeds sa 20th day pa lang, so bibili pa ulit ako ng another sako ng starter hanggang umabot ng 30th day kaya gumastos po ako ng todo. so it means mali ang way ko interms of ADLIB?

[nemo]

Actually, the feed intake of the animal is usually based sa weight niya.

Shifting of feeds is based on their weight. But because it is stressful  to the animal that they are always being weighed then we just assume that if he already consumed this total amount of feeds his/her weight is at par with the recommended weight.

It is not really wrong, some farm give adlibutum based on months and not feed intake. It will all depend on the farm performance.

[johntrix]

wow really a big money needed huh... hehehe. or perhaps just give adlib  sa pre-starter & starter stage. dito kase kokonti pa silang kumain and restricted to grower & finisher stage. im sure lots of farms do this too di ba doc?