composition

[mr hog]

Hi What is the composition of hog feeds?Does anybody now?Lets say b-meg I now there are many named brands I just now b-meg is the best and most expensive.So how would you go about making it?I believe if I could figure this out I would have the golden key ;DIf I could find a way around the feed costs I would invest more into the phills I have much hope in this market.My saying is dont rely on others do it yourslf.We all depend on the feed dealers we us hog farmers have to get away from that some how.There is so much vacant land around Davao some would love to lease there land for a few pesos.I say I would love to learn what types of crops I need to plant for the pig feeds and do it that way.again any info would be great thankx

[mikey]

Mr Hog,I believe it is something about what it is made up of,okay this is what I am working on ,do not laugh,most important is protein,starts with protein,fish meal,bone meal /meat meal.I have not found it yet in the Philippines,okay fish meal is fish scraps ground up into a powder,well if its fish,then we are planning on buying fresh fish and boiling it down so it is really mushy(boneless).grain maybe hard to get,rice is a grain,will use cooked rice.you need corn,copra,rice bran,soybean,wheat grain,barley hulled,fish meal/bone or blood meal,molasses,limestone and salt.Say you cannot find soybean and wheat grain and barley hulled,may be we can use rice instead.You have to cook it all first then cool it down and feed it as wet feed to your pigs,more labour intensive,Hope Doc. Nemo can give us the proper mixing instructions.This is the bases of hog chow.
This is where I am headed,trying to make my own feeds.
mikey Region 7

[Slyfox]

Hi What is the composition of hog feeds?Does anybody now?Lets say b-meg I now there are many named brands I just now b-meg is the best and most expensive.So how would you go about making it?I believe if I could figure this out I would have the golden key ;DIf I could find a way around the feed costs I would invest more into the phills I have much hope in this market.My saying is dont rely on others do it yourslf.We all depend on the feed dealers we us hog farmers have to get away from that some how.There is so much vacant land around Davao some would love to lease there land for a few pesos.I say I would love to learn what types of crops I need to plant for the pig feeds and do it that way.again any info would be great thankx

B meg uses 40% cassava meal on there commercial feeds.



horizontal mixer 5 to 8 minutes 7 mix
vertical mixer 20 to 30 minutes mix


each ration has diff formula. (ex. booster , prestarter and etc....)

 
40 to 50% yellow/white corn
10 to 25% soya - low pro/hi protien
5 to 10% fishmeal local 55 to 60
20 to 30% corn tic tic
15 to 20% corn bran
15 to 20% rice bran D1 - big no no on booster and prestater diet
5 to 10% coprameal
5 to 10% coco oil fine
40 to 50% soft/hard wheat
15 to 20% wheat bran

all are in raw we didn't cook it

[nemo]

Hope Doc. Nemo can give us the proper mixing instructions.This is the bases of hog chow.

Currently someone from this forum have emailed me about mixing feeds. Currently he uses a formulation taken from the net.

And i would try to make adjustment to it and see if it would work for him.  All though there is no guarantee in terms of quality.  I will just compute it theoretically.
 
And he is willing to try the new formulation. I am not a nutritionist but i would try my best to create some adjustment to it.

Would try to email you guys  if i have already created the formulation.

[mikey]

Doc,no am not using a formulation yet,just coming up with ideas,unable to find some feedstuffs needed,so am trying to find replacements,grain,if one cannot find grain,what about rice instead,rice is a grain,fish meal is only ground up fish,corn bran never heard of it before.Main problem is diarrhea,was thinking one could give the medication for a few days to make sure they do not get sick and then see what happens.Looks like Slyfox is miles ahead of us here,he makes his own feeds,it was always understanding that one cooks the food first.Nobody knows for sure if it will work out,just  brainstorming ideas,I do not think its rocket science here.Hogs eat anything.
Mikey

[Slyfox]

Doc,no am not using a formulation yet,just coming up with ideas,unable to find some feedstuffs needed,so am trying to find replacements,grain,if one cannot find grain,what about rice instead,rice is a grain,fish meal is only ground up fish,corn bran never heard of it before.Main problem is diarrhea,was thinking one could give the medication for a few days to make sure they do not get sick and then see what happens.Looks like Slyfox is miles ahead of us here,he makes his own feeds,it was always understanding that one cooks the food first.Nobody knows for sure if it will work out,just  brainstorming ideas,I do not think its rocket science here.Hogs eat anything.
Mikey

corn bran - tahop mais/darak.  at what age your pig scour/diarrhea ?

[mr hog]

Thankx alot guys now we are getting together to learn more .We now we can grow corn in the phills as I have a co worker whos family grows corn .Ok can we grow grain in the phills?I have a big idea coming soon hehe lets see if it works ok,if I can figure out everything about making the feeds..Then I have to try to translate everything I have learned on this great site to them,you folks see where I am coming from?Mikey sure does.If I can get that going making are own feeds (I will buy any machinery needed to make feeds)I will travel back to the phills and get things rocken ;DI love the phills

[Slyfox]

here is an example of creep/booster feed ration.  this method is for early weaning 14 days old wean


cooked corn/corn - 195 kls
Protilac -         78 kls
us soya 48% -  74 kls
edible lactose - 75 Kls
fishmeal local  - 30 kls
coco oil     -     20 kls
nutripro     -     13 kls
limestone  -      3.5 kls
biofos       -      3  kls
ap 920      -     10 kls
toxin binder -   1 kls
tylan 100   -     .25 grms
pig vitamins -   .13 grms
pig minerals -   .25 grms
ferrous sulfate - .25 grms
zinc oxide -    .13 grms
copper sulfate - .13grms
dl-methionine -  .10 grms

TOTAL = 500.24 kilos 

this formula works for me but i'm not sure if it will work on your farm. there's a alot of factor on making feed formulation (ex. breed , housing and etc......)

[mr hog]

Slyfow how many pigs would this batch feed?

[Slyfox]

just divided it by .80 to .300 grms per piglet



here's my feed ration per pig daily

prestarter - .500 to 800 grms
starter - 1 to 1.2 kilos
grower - 1.5 to 2 kilos
fattener 2 to 3 kilos
gestating - 2 to 3 kilos
lactating 4 to 6 kilos


diff breed have diff feed ration. mine large white and landrace only

[mr hog]

We mostly have large white on are farm.

[mikey]

The old slyfox holding out on us,lol>I knew sooner or later would shake one loose,see Mr Hog can be done.
mikey

[mikey]

Mr Hog,am just waiting to see if the soybeans,wheat and barley will grow,so far not looking so good,some sort of birds are picking at them,some might make it.Will in the new year plan to make our own feed,can not be that hard,it might take longer to get them up to weight,may be one just has to feed them more often to get the same results??time will tell,if the feed cost are lower than a little more production time would be worth it to us at this point.There is always trade offs in life,you still have some land that you could plant corn on to help out,I was reading about soybeans:said if you need to find a replacment one can use mung beans,this is a common bean planted in the Philippines,the draw back is that it contains less protein than soybeans,but may be the only replacment one can find.In the mountains at our place some people grow a red rice,not common as white rice,people still rather eat white rice but was thinking of buying the red rice for hog chow,cheaper than white rice.I am confident,we should be able to figure out how to make our own hog chow.Brainstorming ideas is the key here.
mikey

[Slyfox]

today red rice here in the phil is expensive compare to white. before its the same price with white

[mr hog]

I believe that there is a way but these BIG FARMERS wont tell us little guys because they think we will cut into there bizniz.