Alternative Feeds.

[nemo]

Demand, supply and geography is the culprit.

In some far flung area prices of feeds are too high because of the transport cost while price of raw materials and other possible feed ingredient is cheap. It's so cheap that they would earn more if they use alternative feeds compared to commercial feeds.

In terms of liveweight price, geography and demographic also play a major role in pricing. Areas that are near city or mega city tends to have higher price because the demand is there.

[nemo]

Demand, supply and geography is the culprit.

In some far flung area prices of feeds are too high because of the transport cost while price of raw materials and other possible feed ingredient is cheap. It's so cheap that they would earn more if they use alternative feeds compared to commercial feeds.

In terms of liveweight price, geography and demographic also play a major role in pricing. Areas that are near city or mega city tends to have higher price because the demand is there.

[cpmanzano]

hello po

confused lang po ako. enough na po ba ang kanin baboy at corn bran sa baboy o kailangan pa rin ung ibang commercial feeds?  Kung kailangan pa, paano po ang tamang pagbibigay?

[nemo]

Commercial feeds are usually the best feed for the animal because it is balance in nutrient.

In terms of economics, sa sitwasyon ng Pilipinas ngayon medyo mahirap sabihin na the best na magpakain ng commercial feed. Medyo mababa pa ang liveweight pero mataas ang cost to produce. Hindi naman lugi pero it is either break even or kita ka lang ng less than 500 pesos per animal siguro.

Enough ba ang kanin baboy at corn bran? Well, mabubuhay sila dito pero hindi kasing bilis ang laki compared sa commercial feeds.

Ang feeding program ay pwede po nila hingin sa pinagbilan ng feeds usually meron silang brochure para dito.

 

[cpmanzano]

Thank you

[mikey]

I agree it is somewhat cheaper,one looks to buy damaged corn first,once cooked,the hog(s) do not know the difference,the rice bran is sold at your regions going rate,the rest of the ingredients shop around.The labour and time it takes to cook the mash is time consuming.For some it is not worth the effort,for us it works just as well as the commercial feeds,takes the hogs alittle longer to grow.It is a personel choice.

Mustang Sally Agri Farms:

[mikey]

This andry Lim from Davao. We have a seminar schedule:
September 13,2008 saturday 8:00am to 5:00pm
organized by galing pilipino movement
venue: Chowking pioneer mandaluyong city
please call: 6331089 please look for corrie

am session:
how to make inputs include Indigenous Microorganism (IMO), Fermented Plant Juice (FPJ), Oriental Herbal Nutrient (OHN), Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB), Fish Amino Acid (LAB), Water-soluble Calcium (WCA), Water-soluble Calcium Phosphate (WCP), and Insect Attractant (IA). imo5 basal fertilizers
pm session: application,seed and seedling treatments, soil management, natural farming piggery the house and the beddings.

All produced at home easily and cheaply. Most importantly, they work!

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natural farming is the best way to achieve top quality and yield.
Here's the recipe we teach, then later on you can design your own feed formulation. First you have to plant first the legumes (rensonii, indigofera, tricantera gigantea or madre de agua) and vegetable plants. Remember our baboy is a vegetarian)

Formula for IMO Pig Food
Ratio: 100 parts plant material / 4 parts sugar / 1 part salt

·    Obtain edible plant material (any quantity). Examples include water spinach (kangkong), fresh grasses, banana stems, etc. Consult with locals for ideas for local, native options.
·    Chop plant material into bite sized pieces, mix with sugar and salt, place in plastic or ceramic bucket.
·    Cover with PLASTIC sheet and tie in place. This is an anaerobic process that pickles the material.
·    Food is ready to feed in 5-7 days. It will have a good smell and sour taste. pag mabaho ibig sabihin hindi mo natangalan ng lupa. kaya dapat wash and dry or ipagpag. basta make sure walang lupa. madaling mapanis.
·    Can use this food for up to 50% of the ration.
Example pig ration from Thailand and what we are using today in our farm. Because we plant a lot of legumes and vegetables kaya hindi na kami gumagamit ng commercial feeds 100% natural feeds ang pakain namin.

50% IMO food (recipe above)
25% rice bran D1
25% commercial pig food
Add water to make a slop. FFJ (papaya or tundan saging/ FPJ banana trunk.

Pigs should reach market weight in 3-4 months.

Tips:
Introduce new food in small quantity and increase % over time.
Use at least 2 containers for IMO food production. Feed from one container while you fill the other and wait for it to pickle. From this recipe pwede ka ng gumawa ng sarili feed formulation according sa material na available. we put coconut charcoal to our pigs they love it! Hope this will help you reduced your cost feeds.

andry lim

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natural farming is the best way to achieve top quality and yield.

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[yunik_10]

Hi Doc Nemo,

Hope you doing well.

With this regards, I needed some clarification.

1. Talking with alternative feeds, their is no way it can substitute for commercial feeds in terms of    nutrients?
2. It will work if I use alternative feeds for piglets till their finishing stages includine sow?


best regards,

Em

[nemo]

THe advantage of commercial feeds is that usually it has a balance nutrition while alternative feeds have the nutrients the animal needs but it is not balance for its age and weight. So the end result the animal will grow but not as fast as those who are using commercial feeds.

Actually it might work. But whether it would economical or not is still a hanging question.

In some areas in metro manila there are still some hog raiser that use only kanin-baboy as the only feeds for their animal. They will buy the piglet and after feeding kanin baboy for 6 months it would weight around 60-70 kgs.

In terms of feeds cost it is almost zero. So it is economical for them.

[mikey]

Soy enriched DDGS cheaper feed for pigs 13 Feb 2009
Mixing soybeans with dried distillers’ grains and feed this to pigs might help cut feed costs for pork producers. At Southern Illinois University Carbondale in the USA animal scientist Gary Apgar has been testing a blend of the ethanol by-product distillers’ grains and soybeans, a traditional protein source for swine.
The combination turns out to be as nutritious as soybean meal and, because grains cost less than beans, it is cheaper.
 
“Soy meal runs about $300 per ton and contains about 47.5% crude protein, where DDGs cost about $125 per ton and contain 27% crude protein,” Apgar said. “If for $250 you can get 54% crude protein, it’s much more economical.”
 
Lowering emissions
Apgar’s work is part of a larger project aimed at solving two problems facing the ethanol industry: factory emissions in newer plants that exceed legal limits and the need to deal with the increased volume of by-products that will result from expanded ethanol production.
 
Apgar’s group, a consortium of private company representatives, university researchers and scientists from a national laboratory based in Peoria, is tinkering with the production process at a new ethanol plant in Wisconsin, hoping to cut emissions while turning the left-over grains into a more marketable livestock feed.
 
Newer plants generally use a dry mill process to produce ethanol, but the drying creates the most greenhouse gasses.
 
Wet milling solves the emissions problem, but the grains left behind spoil more easily than dried distillers’ grains and are harder to ship, thus reducing their value.
 
The researchers theorized that by shutting off the drying process early for about 15% of the residue, they could reduce emissions enough to meet emission standards.
 
Extrusion to increase value
By adding soybeans to the semi-wet grains, compressing the two and forcing them through an extruder, they hoped to create a feed with the higher nutritional value of wet grains plus the shelf life and handling ease of the dried variety.
 
 “Extrusion involves both pressure and heat, “Apgar said. “This reaction can cause carbohydrates and proteins to bind to each other. When they don’t break down, they’re not available to the animal.”
 
To test the feed’s digestibility, Apgar analyzed faeces and urine produced by pigs fed wet grains, dried grains, or  the extruded grains/soybean mix and those fed a grains/soy mix that hadn’t gone through the extruder.
 
Nitrogen digestion
He also wanted to know how much of the feed’s nitrogen was excreted by the pigs. Poor nitrogen digestion implicates a poor metabolic process in the pig.
 
Apgar found the mix performed better than he thought it would, proving significantly more digestible, in terms of the essential amino acids a pig needs, than the grains by themselves.
 
While roughly two-thirds of that effect came from the soybean meal, the fact that wet grains cost around $50 per ton as compared to $125 for dry grains means the mixed feed would cost less than rations consisting solely of either dried grains or soybeans.
 
When it came to nitrogen, Apgar found that although extruded feed containing distillers’ grains did lessen the amount of nitrogen the pig used, the excess tended to wind up in the faeces rather than the urine.
 
“That’s not a bad thing because the effluent can be used in crop production (as fertilizer), where a high nitrogen content better matches corn production needs,” Apgar said.

[mikey]

Natural Farming Transforms a Formerly Run-Down Farm


Helen's Farm in Joaquin Biao, Calinan district, Davao City, had become a run-down 30-hectare farm after more than two decades of continued use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. The soil had become acidic and the cacao trees that were about 20 years old had become sickly. The trees had few small yellowish leaves and they yielded very few fruits, most of them damaged by pod borers. The soil was virtually dead because the beneficial microorganisms had been killed by the chemicals.

That's how Andry Lim described his family's farm which he was assigned to manage starting 2001. Previously, he was working for a tribal mission foundation that conducted community development activities among the tribes in Mindanao, helping them earn a living Andry and Joji Lim with fruitful cacao tree. from farming.

His taking over the management of Helen's Farm gave him an opportunity to put into practice what he loves to call Natural Farming that he learned while he was connected with the tribal mission foundation. He had the good fortune of attending a seminar on natural farming in 1997 conducted by Dr. Cho Hayn Yu, a Korean natural farming expert who was invited to Davao by a Korean missionary.

Rehabilitating the sickly cacao trees was a big challenge that Andry faced right from the start. But he was undaunted. He was very confident that the techniques he had learned from Dr. Cho would work. And he was right.

What he did was to produce his own fermented fruit and plant juices (FFJ and FPJ), fish amino acid (FAA) and oriental herbal nutrient (OHN). He mixed the different fermented juices and added two tablespoons to a liter of water. He sprayed this on the sickly cacao trees once a week. After just two weeks, Andry said that new leaves had come out. Not long after, profuse flowers followed.

From then on, he kept spraying the thousands of trees planted on more than three hectares of the property. And since then, the trees have become healthy and productive. The leaves have become big and glossy. The trees have been bearing fruits virtually throughout the year. Even as the fruits are maturing on the trunks and branches, new flowers keep on coming out.

Now that the trees have become very robust, Andry sprays his fermented juices just once a month. There are two peak harvest seasons during the year, and these are the months of November to December and April to May. During these months he harvests an average of 200 kilos of wet beans every two weeks. During what he calls the off-season months, the average harvest is 150 kilos of wet beans every two weeks.

Andry sells his beans to another cacao grower who has fermenting and drying facilities, also in Davao City. The current price is P25 per kilo.

To protect the fruits from pod borer, a most serious pest of cacao, every fruit is bagged with thin plastic. Bagging is quite easy with a device made of a two inch plastic pipe that is used to reach the fruits on the tree. The plastic bags are placed at one end of the pipe that may be a couple of meters long. By a simple manipulation, the plastic bag is put in place with a rubber band. This device was copied from Indonesia.

By the way, the cacao trees are interspersed with other crops like bananas and coconuts. These crops have also benefited from the fermented plant juices sprayed primarily on the cacao trees. They have become productive, too.

CASH CROPS
In one portion of the property Andry grows a lot of high-value vegetables such as lettuce, spring onion, spinach, celery, eggplant, ampalaya, beans, tomato and many others. These are also grown the natural farming way. The garden beds as well as the plants are sprayed with his concoctions of beneficial microorganisms. Decomposed leaves of leguminous plants are also incorporated to enrich the soil.

Andry employs practical natural farming ways in growing his vegetables. He staggers his planting of the different varieties so that he has a continuous supply of the right quantity at the right time. He practices crop rotation to avoid buildup of insects and disease organisms. He grows plants that repel insects together with the main crop of vegetables. Mint and lemongrass are two such plants that repel insects.

He plants a row of leguminous shrubs along the edges of the garden plots. The purpose is to prevent erosion of the planting beds. Another purpose is to have rich leafy twigs ready for use as green manure. Some may also be harvested to feed livestock on the farm.

What's good about Andry's operation is that all his vegetables are sold through the family's supermarket in Davao City. They own a shopping mall.

A DIFFERENT KIND OF PIGGERY
When Andry took over management of Helen's Farm, he started a piggery that is operated the natural farming way. It is different from the ordinary piggery you and I are familiar with. For one, it does not exude the familiar foul odor that neighbors would complain about. Yet the pigs don't get bathed at all throughout their life. The pigpens are not washed at all as is the practice in conventional piggeries. Hence, there is no need for a lagoon where the water used in the daily cleaning is directed.

Instead of the usual cement floor found in commercial piggeries, the pigpens are excavated one meter deep then filled with a mixture of sawdust, clean soil and a little salt. To be more specific, for every 10 sacks of sawdust, 5 sacks of soil and one kilo of salt are mixed together. The mixture serves as the bedding that absorbs the manure as well as the urine of the animals.

And why doesn't the pigpen have the usual foul odor? It is because Andry also uses his concoctions of indigenous microorganisms (IMO) that he uses in his cacao and other crops. He explains that the bad bacteria that cause the bad smell are suppressed by the beneficial microorganisms. When the pigpen is new, the bedding is sprayed with the IMO every week for the first few months. After that, spraying is done only once or twice a month.

In other words Andry's pigpens are `infected' with beneficial indigenous microorganisms right from the beginning to kill the harmful bacteria. On the other hand, in the ordinary piggery, the pigpens are `disinfected' with chemicals that kill both the bad and the good microorganisms.

Andry's pigs are fat and contented despite the fact that they are fed only once a day with his own feed formulation. The pigs don't get excited even when visitors arrive. They just lie there on their comfortable beds. The piglets may be acting playfully, some burrowing in the bedding. Andry explains that by burrowing in the bedding, both the piglets and the mature ones get the minerals they need for their good health.

That is why there is no need for injecting or vaccinating the pigs with veterinary drugs.

Instead of antibiotics, Andry uses in his own feed formulation the various fermented extracts that he and his wife Joji make. His feed formulation is as follows: For every 100 kilos of rice bran, he adds 50 kilos of cracked yellow corn, 10 kilos of soya meal (5 kilos if for young pigs), 5 kilos copra meal and 3 kilos salt. To these, he also adds 2 to 3 liters of fermented fruit juice and plant juice, 2 liters of fish amino acid, and one liter each of oriental herbal nutrient and lactic acid bacteria serum. He also incorporates 2 to 3 kilos of powdered coconut shell charcoal to help prevent diarrhea.

By the way, Andry said he used to encounter occasional incidence of diarrhea among piglets in the early days. That was when he was sourcing some of his piglets from outside farms. Now that he produces all his piglets for finishing, he rarely encounters such problem anymore.

Andry's feed costs only P15 per kilo compared to the usual P27 per kilo of the commercial feeds available in the market. That is the reason why his cost of production per kilo live weight is only about P55 compared to the P75 or more of the commercial formulations.

Andry feeds his pigs with his formulation at four o'clock in the afternoon. Those that are two to three months old are given a kilo while the bigger ones are fed 2.5 kilos each. Before that, at 3 p.m., the pigs are fed about a kilo each of green feeds that include what is usually known as Madre de Agua, ornamental peanut, Flemingia, Rensonii and many others. The more varied the green feed, the better because they contain different nutrients. Some have herbal attributes while others are high in protein and other nutrients. All these green forage crops are grown on the farm in combination with other crops.

It takes about four to five months for the fatteners to reach market size of 80 kilos each. While Andry's production tion cost is much lower than most other commercial hog growers, he sells his pork at P10 per kilo higher than the conventionally produced pork. He has no problem selling his pork in the supermarket owned by his family. He usually slaughters 12 head per week but he intends to double that soon because the demand is increasing for his naturally farmed pork. In fact, one Manilan who has a meat shop selling dressed free range chickens is thinking of importing Andry's pork. Sandy Itchon of Solraya Enterprises says she has customers looking for the kind of pork that Andry produces.

Andry Lim is a happy and contented man with a very supportive life partner in the person of Joji Gamboa Lim. He is generous in sharing his experiences and know-how in natural farming. He is often invited to conduct seminars on his favorite topic. And he welcomes visitors to his farm.

[angel0001]

Good Morning Doc,
Inquiry ko sana,

Is it possible to mix 100kilos of Corn, 25kilos Rice bran  and 100of BRODCHOW
dahil meron ako apat na inahin balak ko sana mag semi mix

mi epekto ba ito sa inahin

thanks
angel0001

[nemo]

We buy commercial feeds because most of it are formulated for specific animals.
If you mix other raw materials it will upset the balance formulation.


You can mix naman but it might go both ways... it could cause problems in your sow or it could improve/ makatipid ka sa feed cost.

[bing]

I am wondering about the pig bedding. Do you change the beddings? Or it stays on. How about the manure? Is it absorbed by the bedding? Can't wait to see your farm. And learn your feeding formula as well as your pig pen. great idea.

Natural Farming Transforms a Formerly Run-Down Farm


Helen's Farm in Joaquin Biao, Calinan district, Davao City, had become a run-down 30-hectare farm after more than two decades of continued use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. The soil had become acidic and the cacao trees that were about 20 years old had become sickly. The trees had few small yellowish leaves and they yielded very few fruits, most of them damaged by pod borers. The soil was virtually dead because the beneficial microorganisms had been killed by the chemicals.

That's how Andry Lim described his family's farm which he was assigned to manage starting 2001. Previously, he was working for a tribal mission foundation that conducted community development activities among the tribes in Mindanao, helping them earn a living Andry and Joji Lim with fruitful cacao tree. from farming.

His taking over the management of Helen's Farm gave him an opportunity to put into practice what he loves to call Natural Farming that he learned while he was connected with the tribal mission foundation. He had the good fortune of attending a seminar on natural farming in 1997 conducted by Dr. Cho Hayn Yu, a Korean natural farming expert who was invited to Davao by a Korean missionary.

Rehabilitating the sickly cacao trees was a big challenge that Andry faced right from the start. But he was undaunted. He was very confident that the techniques he had learned from Dr. Cho would work. And he was right.

What he did was to produce his own fermented fruit and plant juices (FFJ and FPJ), fish amino acid (FAA) and oriental herbal nutrient (OHN). He mixed the different fermented juices and added two tablespoons to a liter of water. He sprayed this on the sickly cacao trees once a week. After just two weeks, Andry said that new leaves had come out. Not long after, profuse flowers followed.

From then on, he kept spraying the thousands of trees planted on more than three hectares of the property. And since then, the trees have become healthy and productive. The leaves have become big and glossy. The trees have been bearing fruits virtually throughout the year. Even as the fruits are maturing on the trunks and branches, new flowers keep on coming out.

Now that the trees have become very robust, Andry sprays his fermented juices just once a month. There are two peak harvest seasons during the year, and these are the months of November to December and April to May. During these months he harvests an average of 200 kilos of wet beans every two weeks. During what he calls the off-season months, the average harvest is 150 kilos of wet beans every two weeks.

Andry sells his beans to another cacao grower who has fermenting and drying facilities, also in Davao City. The current price is P25 per kilo.

To protect the fruits from pod borer, a most serious pest of cacao, every fruit is bagged with thin plastic. Bagging is quite easy with a device made of a two inch plastic pipe that is used to reach the fruits on the tree. The plastic bags are placed at one end of the pipe that may be a couple of meters long. By a simple manipulation, the plastic bag is put in place with a rubber band. This device was copied from Indonesia.

By the way, the cacao trees are interspersed with other crops like bananas and coconuts. These crops have also benefited from the fermented plant juices sprayed primarily on the cacao trees. They have become productive, too.

CASH CROPS
In one portion of the property Andry grows a lot of high-value vegetables such as lettuce, spring onion, spinach, celery, eggplant, ampalaya, beans, tomato and many others. These are also grown the natural farming way. The garden beds as well as the plants are sprayed with his concoctions of beneficial microorganisms. Decomposed leaves of leguminous plants are also incorporated to enrich the soil.

Andry employs practical natural farming ways in growing his vegetables. He staggers his planting of the different varieties so that he has a continuous supply of the right quantity at the right time. He practices crop rotation to avoid buildup of insects and disease organisms. He grows plants that repel insects together with the main crop of vegetables. Mint and lemongrass are two such plants that repel insects.

He plants a row of leguminous shrubs along the edges of the garden plots. The purpose is to prevent erosion of the planting beds. Another purpose is to have rich leafy twigs ready for use as green manure. Some may also be harvested to feed livestock on the farm.

What's good about Andry's operation is that all his vegetables are sold through the family's supermarket in Davao City. They own a shopping mall.

A DIFFERENT KIND OF PIGGERY
When Andry took over management of Helen's Farm, he started a piggery that is operated the natural farming way. It is different from the ordinary piggery you and I are familiar with. For one, it does not exude the familiar foul odor that neighbors would complain about. Yet the pigs don't get bathed at all throughout their life. The pigpens are not washed at all as is the practice in conventional piggeries. Hence, there is no need for a lagoon where the water used in the daily cleaning is directed.

Instead of the usual cement floor found in commercial piggeries, the pigpens are excavated one meter deep then filled with a mixture of sawdust, clean soil and a little salt. To be more specific, for every 10 sacks of sawdust, 5 sacks of soil and one kilo of salt are mixed together. The mixture serves as the bedding that absorbs the manure as well as the urine of the animals.

And why doesn't the pigpen have the usual foul odor? It is because Andry also uses his concoctions of indigenous microorganisms (IMO) that he uses in his cacao and other crops. He explains that the bad bacteria that cause the bad smell are suppressed by the beneficial microorganisms. When the pigpen is new, the bedding is sprayed with the IMO every week for the first few months. After that, spraying is done only once or twice a month.

In other words Andry's pigpens are `infected' with beneficial indigenous microorganisms right from the beginning to kill the harmful bacteria. On the other hand, in the ordinary piggery, the pigpens are `disinfected' with chemicals that kill both the bad and the good microorganisms.

Andry's pigs are fat and contented despite the fact that they are fed only once a day with his own feed formulation. The pigs don't get excited even when visitors arrive. They just lie there on their comfortable beds. The piglets may be acting playfully, some burrowing in the bedding. Andry explains that by burrowing in the bedding, both the piglets and the mature ones get the minerals they need for their good health.

That is why there is no need for injecting or vaccinating the pigs with veterinary drugs.

Instead of antibiotics, Andry uses in his own feed formulation the various fermented extracts that he and his wife Joji make. His feed formulation is as follows: For every 100 kilos of rice bran, he adds 50 kilos of cracked yellow corn, 10 kilos of soya meal (5 kilos if for young pigs), 5 kilos copra meal and 3 kilos salt. To these, he also adds 2 to 3 liters of fermented fruit juice and plant juice, 2 liters of fish amino acid, and one liter each of oriental herbal nutrient and lactic acid bacteria serum. He also incorporates 2 to 3 kilos of powdered coconut shell charcoal to help prevent diarrhea.

By the way, Andry said he used to encounter occasional incidence of diarrhea among piglets in the early days. That was when he was sourcing some of his piglets from outside farms. Now that he produces all his piglets for finishing, he rarely encounters such problem anymore.

Andry's feed costs only P15 per kilo compared to the usual P27 per kilo of the commercial feeds available in the market. That is the reason why his cost of production per kilo live weight is only about P55 compared to the P75 or more of the commercial formulations.

Andry feeds his pigs with his formulation at four o'clock in the afternoon. Those that are two to three months old are given a kilo while the bigger ones are fed 2.5 kilos each. Before that, at 3 p.m., the pigs are fed about a kilo each of green feeds that include what is usually known as Madre de Agua, ornamental peanut, Flemingia, Rensonii and many others. The more varied the green feed, the better because they contain different nutrients. Some have herbal attributes while others are high in protein and other nutrients. All these green forage crops are grown on the farm in combination with other crops.

It takes about four to five months for the fatteners to reach market size of 80 kilos each. While Andry's production tion cost is much lower than most other commercial hog growers, he sells his pork at P10 per kilo higher than the conventionally produced pork. He has no problem selling his pork in the supermarket owned by his family. He usually slaughters 12 head per week but he intends to double that soon because the demand is increasing for his naturally farmed pork. In fact, one Manilan who has a meat shop selling dressed free range chickens is thinking of importing Andry's pork. Sandy Itchon of Solraya Enterprises says she has customers looking for the kind of pork that Andry produces.

Andry Lim is a happy and contented man with a very supportive life partner in the person of Joji Gamboa Lim. He is generous in sharing his experiences and know-how in natural farming. He is often invited to conduct seminars on his favorite topic. And he welcomes visitors to his farm.

[japs]

hi mikey...ano ang flooring ng pen? my walls ba ito...di ba ito sisirain ng baboy kung walang walls? pls clarify..tnx