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Title: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on November 29, 2007, 07:53:44 PM
 Due to high cost of commercial feeds people now tend to resort to alternative feeds.

Some uses leaf-overs from restaurant, fast foods etc.

Some feed their animals plants like ipil ipil leaves, camote, duck weed, banana etc.

If you have read some article about alternative feeds please post it here for the benefit of everyone. 

Thanks.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on November 29, 2007, 08:08:37 PM
 Gabing San Fernando (Yautia sp.) as Potential Feed Ingredient for Commercialization in Swine Ration

Feeds comprise about 70% of the total cost of swine production. During the review of the FSSRI-BAR project entitled �Improving the Integration of Animal Production in the Upland Farming Systems of Selected Communities in Mt. Banahaw� in December 1999, trials on alternative feeds for swine was suggested by the Officers of the partner farmers organizations. Among the alternative feed ingredients mentioned were cassava (Manihot esculenta) and the corms of Gabing San Fernando (Yautia sp. , Family Araceae) locally known as sakwa.

The use of cassava had already been studied as an alternative to corn for feeds. Results of several experiments have proven that the performance of animals given with cassava-based feeds is comparable to those fed with corn based rations. However, its use as feeds was constrained by the availability of the materials. Demand for starch and table consumption are higher, hence the price of raw materials become prohibitive for feeds.

On the other hand, sakwa, a by-product of gabi production, is traditionally used as feeds for swine parti-cularly at the finishing stage. The sliced sakwa and gabi leaves are usually given fresh or boiled with feed concentrates.

Among other root crops grown in the Philippines, gabi ranks third to sweet potato and cassava in production and hectarage. It is generally grown as a backyard crop. Gabing San Fernando is the Tagalog term for Yautia or Tannia (Common name). This is also referred to as Takudo in Cebuano and Butig in Waray. Gabing San Fernando is a robust slant and generally adapted in the upland condition. It thrives best in deep, loose, friable and sandy loam soil with abundant organic matter and moisture. It is well adapted in plateaus and can withstand even soils dominated by cogon. Although it can be planted anytime of the year it performs best when planted at the start of the rainy season. This crop is resistant to adverse climatic conditions including drought and relatively resistant to pest and diseases.

Gabing San Fernando ranks second to sweet potato in terms of nutritive value and digestibility. Sakwa of Gabing San Fernando has a crude protein (7.67%) comparable to that of corn, thus giving it a greater potential use as feed ingredient. It has a more or less spherical shape while the cormels are flask-shaped, usually larger than those of gabi.

A preliminary study on the feeding of sakwa-based feed rations to swine fatteners was conducted by the Farming Systems and Soil Resources Institute (FSSRI) in Barangay Pinagdanglayan, Dolores, Quezon under the project supported by the Bureau of Agricultural Research (BAR).

Drying of sakwa was tried by air drying, sun drying or through mechanical drier. Air-drying requires at least five days to attain 14% moisture and sun drying, 3 days. Initial trial was also made using the CEAT multi-purpose drier. Chipping of sakwa is done manually or with the use of a mechanical chipper. Manual chipping is slow and laborious with an output of 9-20 kg/hr/person. Slices can either cross-sectional or longitudinal. Longitudinal slices are more advantageous than the cross sectional or oval cuts because they dry faster. Dried chips that are not milled right away are stored in sacks or containers that can be tightly closed to prevent moisture reabsorption. The use of mechanical drier and chipper are potentially economical if operation will be made on a large scale.

In the on-farm trial conducted for the utilization of sakwa-based feed ration for swine fattening, dried sakwa was used as a replacement for the corn component of the feeds. Corn was replaced in the ration at 50% for the grower feeds and 75% for the finisher rations. The feed formulation was prepared in cooperation with Luntian Multi-purpose Cooperative, Inc. (LMC). The LMC milled the dried sakwa and mixed with the feed ration.

There were three farmer-partners involved in the trial. Each farmer had nine fatteners which were crossbred of Landrace and Yorkshire from the Institute of Animal Science, UPLB. The fatteners were divided into three groups with the first group serving as the control and was fed with commercially available feeds used in the area. The second group was fed with sakwa based-feed starting from growing stage (about 30-35 kg per head) while the last group was fed with sakwa-based feed only during the finishing stage (60 kg above).

Results of the trial showed no significant differences on the average daily gain (600 g/day) and final weight (80 kg) among the test animals after four months of fattening. Meat color was comparable while backfat thickness was acceptable for all treatments. However, differrences in the net benefit was observed. Sakwa-based feeds had lower cost compared to corn-based ration. Partial budget analysis showed a higher net benefit in the feeding of sakwa-based feeds to swine starting at the grower stage. Animals fed with sakwa-based rations realized a net benefit of about P 740 per head of swine while those fed with commercial feeds has about P 340 per head.

Considering the savings in the cost of feeds and the insignificant differences in weight gain compared to animals fed with commercial feeds, the use of sakwa-based feed rations for swine has potentials as feeds. Besides, sakwa is a by-product of the production of Gabing San Fernando and produced with less external inputs. There are no imported fertilizers and insecticides component in the production process. The utilization of Gabing San Fernando as the main ingredient of swine feed rations can reduce our dependence on corn as feed ingredients. Studies could also be done on the potential of sakwa-based feeds for cattle fattening and poultry (V.T. Villancio, R.V. Labios and D.R Dahilig)

taken from : //community.uplb.edu.ph/ca/agandg/od2000.html


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on November 29, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
FRESH GOLDEN SNAIL MEAT AS FEEDS FOR SWINE
   
Name and Address of Institution:

MARIANO MARCOS STATE UNIVERSITY
Batac, 2906 Ilocos Norte
Tel No.: (077) 792-3878
Telefax: (077) 792-3191, 792-3447
E-mail address: mmsuop@laoag.net

Name of Researcher/Author:

MERGELINA S. SALAZAR, ROSEMINDA R. SAIR and ANABELLE G. ABALOS

BRIEF DESCRIPTION:

The swine industry dominates other livestock industries in the Philippines in terms of volume and value of production. In 1998, swine population was 10.4 million heads which 17% is in commercial scale and 83 % in backyard farms. One major problem, however, is the rapid increase in price of commercial feeds and feed ingredients which comprice 70 to 75 percent of the total production costs. Golden apple snail (Pomacea caniculata), commonly known as golden kuhol, is a major pest of rice. However, its meat is a good source of protein for swine. Research results showed that fresh golden snail meat could replace 10 percent commercial mash for growing-finishing pigs or 37.5 and 60 percent soybean oil meal in formulated grower and finisher rations, respectively.

DESCRIPTION/DETAILS

Nutrient Composition Shown below is the proximate analysis of fresh golden snail meat (FGSM) on an air dry basis.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/rodeorodeo/golden_snailtable2feed.jpg)

Required Amount of FGSM

As replacement of commercial mash

Below is the recommended mixture of FGSM and commercial mash that should be fed to the animals daily as a function of their age.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/rodeorodeo/golden_snailtable3feed.jpg)

As substitute of soybean oil meal in formulated ration

Below are the composition, nutrient content and cost of formulated grower and finisher rations with FGSM.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/rodeorodeo/golden_snailtable4feed.jpg)

Preparation of Fresh Golden Snail Meal

1. Collect Golden Kuhol in the field

2. Clean and wash the Golden Kuhol

3. Crush the Kuhol

4. Separate the FGSM from the shells.

5. Wash then chop the FGSM

6. Mix the FGSM with commercial mash (as replacement) or as substitute of soybean oil meal in the formulated ration following the level described above.

Animal Performance and Cost Benefits

As replacement of commercial mash

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/rodeorodeo/golden_snailtable5.jpg)

BENEFITS

1. Converts golden kuhol into a high protein feeds for animals

2. Increases the income of animal raisers in golden snail infected areas.

3. Provide source of income for children and out of school youth

4. Reduce destruction on rice fields thereby increasing the yield and income of the farmers


Taken from:neda website.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on December 01, 2007, 01:27:15 PM
Doc,it has been my experience in the Philippines that no one will give up their trade secret(s),anyone who has a winning formulation will keep it to themselves,fair enough.I will say avacados work well it has some sort of oil in it,our hogs love them,fed to the breeding stock only.Protein is the main ingredient that cost the most,if you are going to feed your hogs snails,might as well feed them dried poultry manure as well.
Later: mikey


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mr hog on December 01, 2007, 01:42:55 PM
hey mikey you are so right no hog farmer will give away any winning secrets for free.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on December 01, 2007, 03:57:23 PM
Trade secret cost money, and also it will earn you some  money.

So, most of alternative feeds, formula comes from the academe. And we can learn from it and create our own from it.

Avocado have high cholesterol content so to be safe don't feed it to the finisher animal.
Some say cholesterol of avocado is safe for the heart but some say it is not. so just to be safe do not include it in the finisher pig diet.



Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mr hog on December 01, 2007, 04:58:21 PM
Hey doc can you find us the trade secret?A private pm would be ok I could cut you in the action.I sure would like to know because I have like 45 piglets and not sure what to do sell them or do fatting?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on December 02, 2007, 12:12:32 AM
Doc,I think if the feed tags listing ingredients was posted here first,we might be able to pick it apart and brainstorm up with a formula,it has been my experience that getting the starters going is very difficult with a homemade formula.The fatteners seem to do better with the homemade formulations,yes you are right,restaurant scraps and bakery scraps and vegetable scraps from the market, cooked first ,has been used for many years here in N.America by people growing a few hogs for personal use.Hog farmers here are having a hard time with production costs as well.The problem with raising high producing animals is that they require high quality feeds to make them produce well.
Later: mikey


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on December 02, 2007, 07:57:08 AM
There are several methods of alternative feeds,besides bagged hog chow.I have tried experimenting before with starters but they got diarrhea and died.Mixing ones own feeds might be more practical,some may be able to grown corn and other crops on their land,was wondering if one can feed silage to hogs,if it was cooked with the other ingredients first would add some uplift to the hogs,think this time would give them medication with the feeds for the first 3 days to help elimate diarrhea,after 3 days they may or may not be accustomed to the new feeds???always the million dollar question.
boiled soybeans,sugar cane juice,brewers spent grain.soybean plant can be made into silage,soybean must be cooked first,boil 30-40 minutes %DM cp-43.0.cf-7.7
coconut oil meal,coconut cake or copra meal:
coconut oil meal%DM cp-24.6,ash-6.2,cf-10.8,ee-0.4
raw copra%DM cp-7.6,ash-1.2,cf-3.5,ee-66.2
rubber seeds
rubber seed meal%DM cp-38.0,ash-5.3,cf-3.9,ee-12.6
ipil-ipil-sun dry leaves prior to use
azolla
dried milled%DM cp-23.7,ash-28,7,cf-15.0
yeast,derivatives of tropical crops such as sugar cane
sugar cane c molasses%DM type A cp-34.9,ash-4.1,cf-0.5,ee-0.2,type b cp-37.0.ash-5.5,cf-0.7,ee-0.3
The hard part is to put it all together and make it work for your management  practices.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on December 02, 2007, 10:34:47 AM
Sweetpotato:
sweetpotato is a valuable pig feed,roots provide energy and the leaves protein,feed fermented into silage (14-30 days fermentation period to make the silage),sweetpotato root/vines,corn meal,cassava meal,rice bran,sun dried chicken manure.
sweetpotato-83.5%
chicken manure-10%
cassava leaf meal-6%
salt-0.5%
the bigger the hog,the lower percentage of protein,and a higher percentage of starch.
the bigger the hog,the more ration kg. of feed per day.I think after the 2nd month when you drop the protein % you add more starch food like,corn meal,cassava leaves and rice bran.
Sweet potato silage-make up to 30% DM 1st month
                                            20% DM 2nd month
                                            10% DM 3rd month
Doc,if one did not want to use dried chicken manure,urea is a chemical source of protein,how much would one use in this formulation??
Silage was used because it is less labour intensive.
Doc, how can we put this all together to make sense of it,what would it take to make 50 kg.-100 kg. with 30%,20% 10% DM.
Other feed formulations are fishmeal,soya,copra
                                     corn,rice bran,fishmeal
no % was given or DM content was given.
Am working on a formulation now,not using sweetpotato,but another type of vine,my wife will not let me use chicken manure,want to try urea instead,instead of cassava leaf,want to try corn. or copra ,Doc.do you think we can put this all together and use this as our hog chow,will be in silage form. Waiting for your reply,if you think this has merrit,want to try it out
If not urea,then was thinking about Moringa tree also known as Mothers Best Friend or Malunggay,contains alot of vitamins and minerals,50 grams of dried leaf powder contains approx, 21% protein.I know care must be taken to avoid excessive protein intake.Too much protein in hog feed will increase muscle development at the expense of fat production.Would it be better to add this in powder form,just before the feeding and how much would one mix into lets say 50kg. mix and 100kg. mix.
I am getting closer to solving this problem,need the proper %,kg. and DM content to complete the problem,not that familar with nutritional values.
Later: mikey


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on December 02, 2007, 11:01:00 PM
Hey doc can you find us the trade secret?A private pm would be ok I could cut you in the action.I sure would like to know because I have like 45 piglets and not sure what to do sell them or do fatting?

If i found one i'll just post it here.

Mikey,
 I think silagin is not feasible for swine. THe counterpart of it in swine is called fermentation and unlike silaging you can't store it for a long time.
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soybean  %DM cp-43.0.cf-7.7
coconut oil meal,coconut cake or copra meal:
coconut oil meal%DM cp-24.6,ash-6.2,cf-10.8,ee-0.4
raw copra%DM cp-7.6,ash-1.2,cf-3.5,ee-66.2
rubber seed meal%DM cp-38.0,ash-5.3,cf-3.9,ee-12.6
ipil-ipil-sun dry leaves prior to use
azolla dried milled%DM cp-23.7,ash-28,7,cf-15.0
yeast,derivatives of tropical crops such as sugar cane
sugar cane c molasses%DM type A cp-34.9,ash-4.1,cf-0.5,ee-0.2,type b cp-37.0.ash-5.5,cf-0.7,ee-0.
-----------------------

If you have this thing  you will just need another protein source and i think you could create a formula for your swine.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on December 04, 2007, 07:38:01 AM
Sugarcane juice is an effective corn replacement and energy feed for swine.  Extruded mixture of sweet potato and copra are good partial direct corn replacement while fresh tomato pomace or FTP are effective feed for growing and fattening pigs.

Growing-finishing pigs fed with sugarcane juice-based ration showed good performance and efficiency in terms of average daily gain and total live-weight gain.  Carcass evaluation of pigs fed with sugarcane-based diets also showed better dressing percentage, lesser back-fat thickness, firm fat, and leaner muscle tissue than those fed with commercial feeds.

Sows fed with sugarcane juice-based ration showed high conception rate, good litter size at birth, and furrowing index compared to pigs fed with commercial diet.

Extruded mixture of copra (30 percent) and sweet potato (70 percent) partially replaced 20-30 percent of corn in the ration.  Mineral analysis of the extrusion showed the presence of calcium and phosphorus that can replace up to 30 percent of corn in the grower diets without significant depression in feed intake, live weight gain, and feed efficiency.

Fresh tomato pomace produced from processing of tomato into tomato paste, on the other hand, contains crude protein, crude fat, crude fiber, nitrogen-free extract, and calcium phosphorus.  Studies showed that 35 percent of fresh tomato paste fed as substitute for commercial mash in the finishing pigs resulted in significantly higher final weight, total gain weight, daily gain weight and feed consumption than those fed with commercial feeds.  Feed cost per kilogram gain significantly decreased with increasing levels in FTP use.

Growing pigs fed with FTP had final total weight gain, average daily gain, and feed efficiency comparable to those pigs fed with 100 percent commercial feeds.  Feeding six percent of FTP significantly increased feed consumption yet reduced feed cost per kilogram gain.

With these agricultural feed substitutes, ensuring swine productivity at minimal cost will surely be beneficial to the country's swine raisers.

source:stii


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Dyohpri on December 13, 2007, 11:10:02 AM
i give malunggay for my pigs, dami dito kse.  you'll be surprise kung gaano karami ang vitamins na nakukuha mula rito. i also give kamoteng baging and kamoteng kahoy leaves.

yun bang gabing san fernando e yung may malalaking dahon na halos kalahati ng payong ang lapad?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on December 13, 2007, 01:12:58 PM
Have no idea.
Dapat pala nag search din me picture.

I'll try to find out. Post ko na lang pag may nakita na me picture


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Dyohpri on December 13, 2007, 02:10:55 PM
oo nga doc, mas maganda me picture. 

eto yung content ng malunggay

(http://img251.rockyou.com/imagehost/2/2194/2194361/2194361_4d8ee2371184912236_m.jpg)


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on February 11, 2008, 04:05:35 AM
By:Mr Ignacio Obrero in the Philippines
Ignacio says that many farmers believe that pigs will only grow properly with commercial feeds.This is not true.In many areas where farmers cannot afford expensive feeds they are using local plants as feed substitutes.And they are getting good results.One of these plants is cassava (Mannihot esculenta).It can be used to replace maize or other grains.The farmers gather cassava tubers,leaves and the juicy parts of the stem.They boil them together in water.They add a little salt and a little amount of fish meal.The fish meal provided protein which is essential part of the pigs diet.So this becomes an easy,cheap feed for the pig.And to have a steady supply,some farmers plant cassava on a monthly basis.This way,they can harvest cassava any time of the year and use it as livestock feed.Remember that your animal needs a variety of different feeds.Give animals plenty of grain or a grain substitute,a source of protein,vitamins and minerals,and adequate water at all times.
Good Farming:


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: doods on March 30, 2008, 02:03:08 PM
hi doc...
    doc ang balak ko po kasi ngayon eh bumili na lang ng mga napagtabasan ng gulay sa palengke bilang alternative feeds ok lang po ba ito di po kaya magkaroon ng epekto ito sa kalusugan ng baboy?thank you ....



doods..............


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: doods on March 30, 2008, 02:34:24 PM
doc...sa patuloy po na pagtaas ng feeds at pataas na pataas ang presyo ng baboy may tendency po ba na humina ang pigerry bisnis sa bansa..........thank you

doods............


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on March 30, 2008, 02:55:48 PM
It would reach a plateau  but i don't think that it will go down drastically.

Reason:

1. Mindanao area will start to export this year (hopefully) to singapore and japan so some of the supply will be diverted there. So even if the Luzon area volume will increase it will not be an over supply scenario.

2. If the hot weather will continue like this poultry production will be affected. And supply will go down and price go up.  In essence price of poultry and pork will go hand in hand (Hindi magkakalayo ang presyo nila)

3. If price of feed goes up, even price of fish will go up. Some of the fish like tilapia, bangus, etc eat also commercial. And if this happen other fish product will increase.

4. Smuggled goods, because there is also shortage of pork in China smuggled pork is not much an issue unless they will smuggle from Brazil.

5.  Filipino love pork so even if the price of pork is high people will tend to still buy.


This is per my opinion.  Only time would tell if my speculation would be accurate.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: destiny_unfair2003 on April 10, 2008, 09:38:30 PM



doc nemo and to other who knows the answer pls help me.

is it okay to feed my fattener caimito leaves as appetizer?
my mom do this everyday after feeding them.
i just want to know if this is okay.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on April 16, 2008, 07:07:13 PM
As long as it is just a dessert, camito leaves and fruit is used by some as antidiarrhea.

Sorry for the late reply, currently i am a bit busy this day.



Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: cire on September 27, 2008, 07:39:54 PM
Doc,

kapag papakainin ko po ng tira tirang pagkain galing sa kapit bahay, gaano karami po ba ang ipapakinin ko per baboy? gaano karami ang dapat ihalo na feeds (grower, finisher etc..) ok lng po ba kung purong tira tirang pagkain lng?

Thanks!


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on September 28, 2008, 02:53:15 PM
Feed them as long as they want to eat.

It is not advisable to mix commercial feeds and leftover.

If you want to feed them leftover be sure to cook it. ANd also don't expect that your animal will grow fast.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on September 28, 2008, 10:03:14 PM
Doc.
We have gone back to experimenting with the feeds.After doing the math,we figure for 16% cp,one cooks 20kg of corn to 30kg rice bran for the base mix,we also buy any left over vegetables at the market at days end,right now squash is cheap,we also add salt and molasses.Looking for cheap rice to add to the mix,was thinking about cooking 1kg rice with the mixture.Mulunggay leaves added when available especially for the pregnant sows with calicum.When the crops mature will add   different vegetables and shredded cooked coconut.Thinking we should seperate the coconut milk first,cook the coconut and add the milk once the feed has cooled.The hogs are not sick and we started at the grower level and will take them through the finishing stage.The weaned piglets get commercial feeds,will try the 21%cp later on them sometime in 2009 and see what happens this time.Once the talapia tanks get built,we will have fish meal to add.
We do realize we will have a longer growing period,this should offset the cost of the higher commercial feeds.This may not work for everyone but we feel for ourselves,worth a try and we will see what happens.If need be, we can add commercial vitamins to help out.
This is something we are working on at present.Doc.any thoughts about this would be great.

Mikey
Mustang Sally Agri Farms:


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on September 29, 2008, 07:56:27 PM
If this would make your farming profitable then go for it.

Download this manual. it is about nutrition . DOWNLOAD  (http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/swine_articles_etc/swine_nutrition-t6.0.html). Just click the attachment at the left portion


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on September 30, 2008, 07:51:11 AM
Doc.
good website,too complicated for the average man to understand.A hog is a hog,will eat almost anything.I guess trial and error is the only way to find the answer(s).
Thanks
mikey
Mustang Sally Agri Farms:


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: sanico on September 30, 2008, 08:42:33 PM
Dyophri,
How do you often gives malungay to your pigs ( fattener,gilt/sow and piglets) ?
Do we have to cook? What is the ratio against feeds given?
Doc Nemo, what is your opinion?
Thanks.



i give malunggay for my pigs, dami dito kse.  you'll be surprise kung gaano karami ang vitamins na nakukuha mula rito. i also give kamoteng baging and kamoteng kahoy leaves.

yun bang gabing san fernando e yung may malalaking dahon na halos kalahati ng payong ang lapad?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Aldabog on October 02, 2008, 07:09:17 AM
Due to high cost of commercial feeds people now tend to resort to alternative feeds.

Some uses leaf-overs from restaurant, fast foods etc.

Some feed their animals plants like ipil ipil leaves, camote, duck weed, banana etc.

If you have read some article about alternative feeds please post it here for the benefit of everyone. 

Thanks.
Hello Doc,meron po kaming small backyard piggery ang pinapakain po namin ay yung tinatawag nilang sapal ng taho kalahati commercial feeds at ang kalahati eh sapal ng taho ang napapansin ko po eh mabagal silang lumaki ano po sa palagay ninyo ang kulang d2 sa pinapakain namin dapat pa ba akong magdagdag ng amino acid, vitamin mineral can you give me some idea kung ano pa ang dapat naming idagdag pa sa pagkain ng baboy salamat po :)


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on October 02, 2008, 11:01:26 AM
If you mix commercial and other alternative feeds for sure growth of the animal will slowdown.

If you want your animal to grow fast then give it pure commercial feeds.



Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: vicbug on October 24, 2008, 04:05:05 AM
Why do farmers need to have alternative feeds? Hindi ba kumikita ang hog farmers kung commercial feeds ang gamitin nya? Well baka yung mga areas na hindi naabot ng comm'l feeds ang gumagamit ng alternatives. Somehow, this maybe a matter of competition with regards to liveweght price, please correct me, i need to know why here in phils, farm gate price differs from one place to another as shown on the other forum by Slyfox Price Updates, is it because others were using alternative feeds?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on October 26, 2008, 12:15:01 AM
Demand, supply and geography is the culprit.

In some far flung area prices of feeds are too high because of the transport cost while price of raw materials and other possible feed ingredient is cheap. It's so cheap that they would earn more if they use alternative feeds compared to commercial feeds.

In terms of liveweight price, geography and demographic also play a major role in pricing. Areas that are near city or mega city tends to have higher price because the demand is there.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on October 26, 2008, 01:02:09 AM
Demand, supply and geography is the culprit.

In some far flung area prices of feeds are too high because of the transport cost while price of raw materials and other possible feed ingredient is cheap. It's so cheap that they would earn more if they use alternative feeds compared to commercial feeds.

In terms of liveweight price, geography and demographic also play a major role in pricing. Areas that are near city or mega city tends to have higher price because the demand is there.


Title: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: cpmanzano on November 07, 2008, 10:50:16 PM
hello po

confused lang po ako. enough na po ba ang kanin baboy at corn bran sa baboy o kailangan pa rin ung ibang commercial feeds?  Kung kailangan pa, paano po ang tamang pagbibigay?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on November 08, 2008, 12:14:43 AM
Commercial feeds are usually the best feed for the animal because it is balance in nutrient.

In terms of economics, sa sitwasyon ng Pilipinas ngayon medyo mahirap sabihin na the best na magpakain ng commercial feed. Medyo mababa pa ang liveweight pero mataas ang cost to produce. Hindi naman lugi pero it is either break even or kita ka lang ng less than 500 pesos per animal siguro.

Enough ba ang kanin baboy at corn bran? Well, mabubuhay sila dito pero hindi kasing bilis ang laki compared sa commercial feeds.

Ang feeding program ay pwede po nila hingin sa pinagbilan ng feeds usually meron silang brochure para dito.

 


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: cpmanzano on November 08, 2008, 01:10:23 PM
Thank you :)


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on November 11, 2008, 09:06:03 AM
I agree it is somewhat cheaper,one looks to buy damaged corn first,once cooked,the hog(s) do not know the difference,the rice bran is sold at your regions going rate,the rest of the ingredients shop around.The labour and time it takes to cook the mash is time consuming.For some it is not worth the effort,for us it works just as well as the commercial feeds,takes the hogs alittle longer to grow.It is a personel choice.

Mustang Sally Agri Farms:


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on December 30, 2008, 11:48:28 AM
This andry Lim from Davao. We have a seminar schedule:
September 13,2008 saturday 8:00am to 5:00pm
organized by galing pilipino movement
venue: Chowking pioneer mandaluyong city
please call: 6331089 please look for corrie

am session:
how to make inputs include Indigenous Microorganism (IMO), Fermented Plant Juice (FPJ), Oriental Herbal Nutrient (OHN), Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB), Fish Amino Acid (LAB), Water-soluble Calcium (WCA), Water-soluble Calcium Phosphate (WCP), and Insect Attractant (IA). imo5 basal fertilizers
pm session: application,seed and seedling treatments, soil management, natural farming piggery the house and the beddings.

All produced at home easily and cheaply. Most importantly, they work!

_______________________________________
natural farming is the best way to achieve top quality and yield.
Here's the recipe we teach, then later on you can design your own feed formulation. First you have to plant first the legumes (rensonii, indigofera, tricantera gigantea or madre de agua) and vegetable plants. Remember our baboy is a vegetarian)

Formula for IMO Pig Food
Ratio: 100 parts plant material / 4 parts sugar / 1 part salt

·    Obtain edible plant material (any quantity). Examples include water spinach (kangkong), fresh grasses, banana stems, etc. Consult with locals for ideas for local, native options.
·    Chop plant material into bite sized pieces, mix with sugar and salt, place in plastic or ceramic bucket.
·    Cover with PLASTIC sheet and tie in place. This is an anaerobic process that pickles the material.
·    Food is ready to feed in 5-7 days. It will have a good smell and sour taste. pag mabaho ibig sabihin hindi mo natangalan ng lupa. kaya dapat wash and dry or ipagpag. basta make sure walang lupa. madaling mapanis.
·    Can use this food for up to 50% of the ration.
Example pig ration from Thailand and what we are using today in our farm. Because we plant a lot of legumes and vegetables kaya hindi na kami gumagamit ng commercial feeds 100% natural feeds ang pakain namin.

50% IMO food (recipe above)
25% rice bran D1
25% commercial pig food
Add water to make a slop. FFJ (papaya or tundan saging/ FPJ banana trunk.

Pigs should reach market weight in 3-4 months.

Tips:
Introduce new food in small quantity and increase % over time.
Use at least 2 containers for IMO food production. Feed from one container while you fill the other and wait for it to pickle. From this recipe pwede ka ng gumawa ng sarili feed formulation according sa material na available. we put coconut charcoal to our pigs they love it! Hope this will help you reduced your cost feeds.

andry lim

_______________________________________
natural farming is the best way to achieve top quality and yield.

_______________________________________


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: yunik_10 on January 23, 2009, 11:09:50 AM
Hi Doc Nemo,

Hope you doing well.

With this regards, I needed some clarification.

1. Talking with alternative feeds, their is no way it can substitute for commercial feeds in terms of    nutrients?
2. It will work if I use alternative feeds for piglets till their finishing stages includine sow?


best regards,

Em


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on January 23, 2009, 10:10:57 PM
THe advantage of commercial feeds is that usually it has a balance nutrition while alternative feeds have the nutrients the animal needs but it is not balance for its age and weight. So the end result the animal will grow but not as fast as those who are using commercial feeds.

Actually it might work. But whether it would economical or not is still a hanging question.

In some areas in metro manila there are still some hog raiser that use only kanin-baboy as the only feeds for their animal. They will buy the piglet and after feeding kanin baboy for 6 months it would weight around 60-70 kgs.

In terms of feeds cost it is almost zero. So it is economical for them.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on February 16, 2009, 08:04:05 AM
Soy enriched DDGS cheaper feed for pigs 13 Feb 2009
Mixing soybeans with dried distillers’ grains and feed this to pigs might help cut feed costs for pork producers. At Southern Illinois University Carbondale in the USA animal scientist Gary Apgar has been testing a blend of the ethanol by-product distillers’ grains and soybeans, a traditional protein source for swine.
The combination turns out to be as nutritious as soybean meal and, because grains cost less than beans, it is cheaper.
 
“Soy meal runs about $300 per ton and contains about 47.5% crude protein, where DDGs cost about $125 per ton and contain 27% crude protein,” Apgar said. “If for $250 you can get 54% crude protein, it’s much more economical.”
 
Lowering emissions
Apgar’s work is part of a larger project aimed at solving two problems facing the ethanol industry: factory emissions in newer plants that exceed legal limits and the need to deal with the increased volume of by-products that will result from expanded ethanol production.
 
Apgar’s group, a consortium of private company representatives, university researchers and scientists from a national laboratory based in Peoria, is tinkering with the production process at a new ethanol plant in Wisconsin, hoping to cut emissions while turning the left-over grains into a more marketable livestock feed.
 
Newer plants generally use a dry mill process to produce ethanol, but the drying creates the most greenhouse gasses.
 
Wet milling solves the emissions problem, but the grains left behind spoil more easily than dried distillers’ grains and are harder to ship, thus reducing their value.
 
The researchers theorized that by shutting off the drying process early for about 15% of the residue, they could reduce emissions enough to meet emission standards.
 
Extrusion to increase value
By adding soybeans to the semi-wet grains, compressing the two and forcing them through an extruder, they hoped to create a feed with the higher nutritional value of wet grains plus the shelf life and handling ease of the dried variety.
 
 “Extrusion involves both pressure and heat, “Apgar said. “This reaction can cause carbohydrates and proteins to bind to each other. When they don’t break down, they’re not available to the animal.”
 
To test the feed’s digestibility, Apgar analyzed faeces and urine produced by pigs fed wet grains, dried grains, or  the extruded grains/soybean mix and those fed a grains/soy mix that hadn’t gone through the extruder.
 
Nitrogen digestion
He also wanted to know how much of the feed’s nitrogen was excreted by the pigs. Poor nitrogen digestion implicates a poor metabolic process in the pig.
 
Apgar found the mix performed better than he thought it would, proving significantly more digestible, in terms of the essential amino acids a pig needs, than the grains by themselves.
 
While roughly two-thirds of that effect came from the soybean meal, the fact that wet grains cost around $50 per ton as compared to $125 for dry grains means the mixed feed would cost less than rations consisting solely of either dried grains or soybeans.
 
When it came to nitrogen, Apgar found that although extruded feed containing distillers’ grains did lessen the amount of nitrogen the pig used, the excess tended to wind up in the faeces rather than the urine.
 
“That’s not a bad thing because the effluent can be used in crop production (as fertilizer), where a high nitrogen content better matches corn production needs,” Apgar said.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on April 16, 2009, 11:24:15 AM



Natural Farming Transforms a Formerly Run-Down Farm


Helen's Farm in Joaquin Biao, Calinan district, Davao City, had become a run-down 30-hectare farm after more than two decades of continued use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. The soil had become acidic and the cacao trees that were about 20 years old had become sickly. The trees had few small yellowish leaves and they yielded very few fruits, most of them damaged by pod borers. The soil was virtually dead because the beneficial microorganisms had been killed by the chemicals.

That's how Andry Lim described his family's farm which he was assigned to manage starting 2001. Previously, he was working for a tribal mission foundation that conducted community development activities among the tribes in Mindanao, helping them earn a living Andry and Joji Lim with fruitful cacao tree. from farming.

His taking over the management of Helen's Farm gave him an opportunity to put into practice what he loves to call Natural Farming that he learned while he was connected with the tribal mission foundation. He had the good fortune of attending a seminar on natural farming in 1997 conducted by Dr. Cho Hayn Yu, a Korean natural farming expert who was invited to Davao by a Korean missionary.

Rehabilitating the sickly cacao trees was a big challenge that Andry faced right from the start. But he was undaunted. He was very confident that the techniques he had learned from Dr. Cho would work. And he was right.

What he did was to produce his own fermented fruit and plant juices (FFJ and FPJ), fish amino acid (FAA) and oriental herbal nutrient (OHN). He mixed the different fermented juices and added two tablespoons to a liter of water. He sprayed this on the sickly cacao trees once a week. After just two weeks, Andry said that new leaves had come out. Not long after, profuse flowers followed.

From then on, he kept spraying the thousands of trees planted on more than three hectares of the property. And since then, the trees have become healthy and productive. The leaves have become big and glossy. The trees have been bearing fruits virtually throughout the year. Even as the fruits are maturing on the trunks and branches, new flowers keep on coming out.

Now that the trees have become very robust, Andry sprays his fermented juices just once a month. There are two peak harvest seasons during the year, and these are the months of November to December and April to May. During these months he harvests an average of 200 kilos of wet beans every two weeks. During what he calls the off-season months, the average harvest is 150 kilos of wet beans every two weeks.

Andry sells his beans to another cacao grower who has fermenting and drying facilities, also in Davao City. The current price is P25 per kilo.

To protect the fruits from pod borer, a most serious pest of cacao, every fruit is bagged with thin plastic. Bagging is quite easy with a device made of a two inch plastic pipe that is used to reach the fruits on the tree. The plastic bags are placed at one end of the pipe that may be a couple of meters long. By a simple manipulation, the plastic bag is put in place with a rubber band. This device was copied from Indonesia.

By the way, the cacao trees are interspersed with other crops like bananas and coconuts. These crops have also benefited from the fermented plant juices sprayed primarily on the cacao trees. They have become productive, too.

CASH CROPS
In one portion of the property Andry grows a lot of high-value vegetables such as lettuce, spring onion, spinach, celery, eggplant, ampalaya, beans, tomato and many others. These are also grown the natural farming way. The garden beds as well as the plants are sprayed with his concoctions of beneficial microorganisms. Decomposed leaves of leguminous plants are also incorporated to enrich the soil.

Andry employs practical natural farming ways in growing his vegetables. He staggers his planting of the different varieties so that he has a continuous supply of the right quantity at the right time. He practices crop rotation to avoid buildup of insects and disease organisms. He grows plants that repel insects together with the main crop of vegetables. Mint and lemongrass are two such plants that repel insects.

He plants a row of leguminous shrubs along the edges of the garden plots. The purpose is to prevent erosion of the planting beds. Another purpose is to have rich leafy twigs ready for use as green manure. Some may also be harvested to feed livestock on the farm.

What's good about Andry's operation is that all his vegetables are sold through the family's supermarket in Davao City. They own a shopping mall.

A DIFFERENT KIND OF PIGGERY
When Andry took over management of Helen's Farm, he started a piggery that is operated the natural farming way. It is different from the ordinary piggery you and I are familiar with. For one, it does not exude the familiar foul odor that neighbors would complain about. Yet the pigs don't get bathed at all throughout their life. The pigpens are not washed at all as is the practice in conventional piggeries. Hence, there is no need for a lagoon where the water used in the daily cleaning is directed.

Instead of the usual cement floor found in commercial piggeries, the pigpens are excavated one meter deep then filled with a mixture of sawdust, clean soil and a little salt. To be more specific, for every 10 sacks of sawdust, 5 sacks of soil and one kilo of salt are mixed together. The mixture serves as the bedding that absorbs the manure as well as the urine of the animals.

And why doesn't the pigpen have the usual foul odor? It is because Andry also uses his concoctions of indigenous microorganisms (IMO) that he uses in his cacao and other crops. He explains that the bad bacteria that cause the bad smell are suppressed by the beneficial microorganisms. When the pigpen is new, the bedding is sprayed with the IMO every week for the first few months. After that, spraying is done only once or twice a month.

In other words Andry's pigpens are `infected' with beneficial indigenous microorganisms right from the beginning to kill the harmful bacteria. On the other hand, in the ordinary piggery, the pigpens are `disinfected' with chemicals that kill both the bad and the good microorganisms.

Andry's pigs are fat and contented despite the fact that they are fed only once a day with his own feed formulation. The pigs don't get excited even when visitors arrive. They just lie there on their comfortable beds. The piglets may be acting playfully, some burrowing in the bedding. Andry explains that by burrowing in the bedding, both the piglets and the mature ones get the minerals they need for their good health.

That is why there is no need for injecting or vaccinating the pigs with veterinary drugs.

Instead of antibiotics, Andry uses in his own feed formulation the various fermented extracts that he and his wife Joji make. His feed formulation is as follows: For every 100 kilos of rice bran, he adds 50 kilos of cracked yellow corn, 10 kilos of soya meal (5 kilos if for young pigs), 5 kilos copra meal and 3 kilos salt. To these, he also adds 2 to 3 liters of fermented fruit juice and plant juice, 2 liters of fish amino acid, and one liter each of oriental herbal nutrient and lactic acid bacteria serum. He also incorporates 2 to 3 kilos of powdered coconut shell charcoal to help prevent diarrhea.

By the way, Andry said he used to encounter occasional incidence of diarrhea among piglets in the early days. That was when he was sourcing some of his piglets from outside farms. Now that he produces all his piglets for finishing, he rarely encounters such problem anymore.

Andry's feed costs only P15 per kilo compared to the usual P27 per kilo of the commercial feeds available in the market. That is the reason why his cost of production per kilo live weight is only about P55 compared to the P75 or more of the commercial formulations.

Andry feeds his pigs with his formulation at four o'clock in the afternoon. Those that are two to three months old are given a kilo while the bigger ones are fed 2.5 kilos each. Before that, at 3 p.m., the pigs are fed about a kilo each of green feeds that include what is usually known as Madre de Agua, ornamental peanut, Flemingia, Rensonii and many others. The more varied the green feed, the better because they contain different nutrients. Some have herbal attributes while others are high in protein and other nutrients. All these green forage crops are grown on the farm in combination with other crops.

It takes about four to five months for the fatteners to reach market size of 80 kilos each. While Andry's production tion cost is much lower than most other commercial hog growers, he sells his pork at P10 per kilo higher than the conventionally produced pork. He has no problem selling his pork in the supermarket owned by his family. He usually slaughters 12 head per week but he intends to double that soon because the demand is increasing for his naturally farmed pork. In fact, one Manilan who has a meat shop selling dressed free range chickens is thinking of importing Andry's pork. Sandy Itchon of Solraya Enterprises says she has customers looking for the kind of pork that Andry produces.

Andry Lim is a happy and contented man with a very supportive life partner in the person of Joji Gamboa Lim. He is generous in sharing his experiences and know-how in natural farming. He is often invited to conduct seminars on his favorite topic. And he welcomes visitors to his farm.





Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: angel0001 on August 04, 2009, 09:30:57 AM
Good Morning Doc,
Inquiry ko sana,

Is it possible to mix 100kilos of Corn, 25kilos Rice bran  and 100of BRODCHOW
dahil meron ako apat na inahin balak ko sana mag semi mix

mi epekto ba ito sa inahin

thanks
angel0001


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on August 05, 2009, 03:27:33 PM
We buy commercial feeds because most of it are formulated for specific animals.
If you mix other raw materials it will upset the balance formulation.


You can mix naman but it might go both ways... it could cause problems in your sow or it could improve/ makatipid ka sa feed cost.




Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: bing on August 11, 2009, 06:52:14 PM

I am wondering about the pig bedding. Do you change the beddings? Or it stays on. How about the manure? Is it absorbed by the bedding? Can't wait to see your farm. And learn your feeding formula as well as your pig pen. great idea.

Natural Farming Transforms a Formerly Run-Down Farm


Helen's Farm in Joaquin Biao, Calinan district, Davao City, had become a run-down 30-hectare farm after more than two decades of continued use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. The soil had become acidic and the cacao trees that were about 20 years old had become sickly. The trees had few small yellowish leaves and they yielded very few fruits, most of them damaged by pod borers. The soil was virtually dead because the beneficial microorganisms had been killed by the chemicals.

That's how Andry Lim described his family's farm which he was assigned to manage starting 2001. Previously, he was working for a tribal mission foundation that conducted community development activities among the tribes in Mindanao, helping them earn a living Andry and Joji Lim with fruitful cacao tree. from farming.

His taking over the management of Helen's Farm gave him an opportunity to put into practice what he loves to call Natural Farming that he learned while he was connected with the tribal mission foundation. He had the good fortune of attending a seminar on natural farming in 1997 conducted by Dr. Cho Hayn Yu, a Korean natural farming expert who was invited to Davao by a Korean missionary.

Rehabilitating the sickly cacao trees was a big challenge that Andry faced right from the start. But he was undaunted. He was very confident that the techniques he had learned from Dr. Cho would work. And he was right.

What he did was to produce his own fermented fruit and plant juices (FFJ and FPJ), fish amino acid (FAA) and oriental herbal nutrient (OHN). He mixed the different fermented juices and added two tablespoons to a liter of water. He sprayed this on the sickly cacao trees once a week. After just two weeks, Andry said that new leaves had come out. Not long after, profuse flowers followed.

From then on, he kept spraying the thousands of trees planted on more than three hectares of the property. And since then, the trees have become healthy and productive. The leaves have become big and glossy. The trees have been bearing fruits virtually throughout the year. Even as the fruits are maturing on the trunks and branches, new flowers keep on coming out.

Now that the trees have become very robust, Andry sprays his fermented juices just once a month. There are two peak harvest seasons during the year, and these are the months of November to December and April to May. During these months he harvests an average of 200 kilos of wet beans every two weeks. During what he calls the off-season months, the average harvest is 150 kilos of wet beans every two weeks.

Andry sells his beans to another cacao grower who has fermenting and drying facilities, also in Davao City. The current price is P25 per kilo.

To protect the fruits from pod borer, a most serious pest of cacao, every fruit is bagged with thin plastic. Bagging is quite easy with a device made of a two inch plastic pipe that is used to reach the fruits on the tree. The plastic bags are placed at one end of the pipe that may be a couple of meters long. By a simple manipulation, the plastic bag is put in place with a rubber band. This device was copied from Indonesia.

By the way, the cacao trees are interspersed with other crops like bananas and coconuts. These crops have also benefited from the fermented plant juices sprayed primarily on the cacao trees. They have become productive, too.

CASH CROPS
In one portion of the property Andry grows a lot of high-value vegetables such as lettuce, spring onion, spinach, celery, eggplant, ampalaya, beans, tomato and many others. These are also grown the natural farming way. The garden beds as well as the plants are sprayed with his concoctions of beneficial microorganisms. Decomposed leaves of leguminous plants are also incorporated to enrich the soil.

Andry employs practical natural farming ways in growing his vegetables. He staggers his planting of the different varieties so that he has a continuous supply of the right quantity at the right time. He practices crop rotation to avoid buildup of insects and disease organisms. He grows plants that repel insects together with the main crop of vegetables. Mint and lemongrass are two such plants that repel insects.

He plants a row of leguminous shrubs along the edges of the garden plots. The purpose is to prevent erosion of the planting beds. Another purpose is to have rich leafy twigs ready for use as green manure. Some may also be harvested to feed livestock on the farm.

What's good about Andry's operation is that all his vegetables are sold through the family's supermarket in Davao City. They own a shopping mall.

A DIFFERENT KIND OF PIGGERY
When Andry took over management of Helen's Farm, he started a piggery that is operated the natural farming way. It is different from the ordinary piggery you and I are familiar with. For one, it does not exude the familiar foul odor that neighbors would complain about. Yet the pigs don't get bathed at all throughout their life. The pigpens are not washed at all as is the practice in conventional piggeries. Hence, there is no need for a lagoon where the water used in the daily cleaning is directed.

Instead of the usual cement floor found in commercial piggeries, the pigpens are excavated one meter deep then filled with a mixture of sawdust, clean soil and a little salt. To be more specific, for every 10 sacks of sawdust, 5 sacks of soil and one kilo of salt are mixed together. The mixture serves as the bedding that absorbs the manure as well as the urine of the animals.

And why doesn't the pigpen have the usual foul odor? It is because Andry also uses his concoctions of indigenous microorganisms (IMO) that he uses in his cacao and other crops. He explains that the bad bacteria that cause the bad smell are suppressed by the beneficial microorganisms. When the pigpen is new, the bedding is sprayed with the IMO every week for the first few months. After that, spraying is done only once or twice a month.

In other words Andry's pigpens are `infected' with beneficial indigenous microorganisms right from the beginning to kill the harmful bacteria. On the other hand, in the ordinary piggery, the pigpens are `disinfected' with chemicals that kill both the bad and the good microorganisms.

Andry's pigs are fat and contented despite the fact that they are fed only once a day with his own feed formulation. The pigs don't get excited even when visitors arrive. They just lie there on their comfortable beds. The piglets may be acting playfully, some burrowing in the bedding. Andry explains that by burrowing in the bedding, both the piglets and the mature ones get the minerals they need for their good health.

That is why there is no need for injecting or vaccinating the pigs with veterinary drugs.

Instead of antibiotics, Andry uses in his own feed formulation the various fermented extracts that he and his wife Joji make. His feed formulation is as follows: For every 100 kilos of rice bran, he adds 50 kilos of cracked yellow corn, 10 kilos of soya meal (5 kilos if for young pigs), 5 kilos copra meal and 3 kilos salt. To these, he also adds 2 to 3 liters of fermented fruit juice and plant juice, 2 liters of fish amino acid, and one liter each of oriental herbal nutrient and lactic acid bacteria serum. He also incorporates 2 to 3 kilos of powdered coconut shell charcoal to help prevent diarrhea.

By the way, Andry said he used to encounter occasional incidence of diarrhea among piglets in the early days. That was when he was sourcing some of his piglets from outside farms. Now that he produces all his piglets for finishing, he rarely encounters such problem anymore.

Andry's feed costs only P15 per kilo compared to the usual P27 per kilo of the commercial feeds available in the market. That is the reason why his cost of production per kilo live weight is only about P55 compared to the P75 or more of the commercial formulations.

Andry feeds his pigs with his formulation at four o'clock in the afternoon. Those that are two to three months old are given a kilo while the bigger ones are fed 2.5 kilos each. Before that, at 3 p.m., the pigs are fed about a kilo each of green feeds that include what is usually known as Madre de Agua, ornamental peanut, Flemingia, Rensonii and many others. The more varied the green feed, the better because they contain different nutrients. Some have herbal attributes while others are high in protein and other nutrients. All these green forage crops are grown on the farm in combination with other crops.

It takes about four to five months for the fatteners to reach market size of 80 kilos each. While Andry's production tion cost is much lower than most other commercial hog growers, he sells his pork at P10 per kilo higher than the conventionally produced pork. He has no problem selling his pork in the supermarket owned by his family. He usually slaughters 12 head per week but he intends to double that soon because the demand is increasing for his naturally farmed pork. In fact, one Manilan who has a meat shop selling dressed free range chickens is thinking of importing Andry's pork. Sandy Itchon of Solraya Enterprises says she has customers looking for the kind of pork that Andry produces.

Andry Lim is a happy and contented man with a very supportive life partner in the person of Joji Gamboa Lim. He is generous in sharing his experiences and know-how in natural farming. He is often invited to conduct seminars on his favorite topic. And he welcomes visitors to his farm.






Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: japs on September 14, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
hi mikey...ano ang flooring ng pen? my walls ba ito...di ba ito sisirain ng baboy kung walang walls? pls clarify..tnx


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on September 14, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
Hi japs, ,mikey is a foreigner, so he could not understand tagalog.


Mikey,

Jap is asking what type is the flooring, and do it have walls and whether pigs will destroy the wall.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: vanessamarjohnson on October 11, 2009, 01:10:27 PM
hi pwede din po bang gamitin ang alagbati sa baboy?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: vanessamarjohnson on October 11, 2009, 03:11:21 PM
"Instead of the usual cement floor found in commercial piggeries, the pigpens are excavated one meter deep then filled with a mixture of sawdust, clean soil and a little salt. To be more specific, for every 10 sacks of sawdust, 5 sacks of soil and one kilo of salt are mixed together. The mixture serves as the bedding that absorbs the manure as well as the urine of the animals."

I read this one, and just want to have a clarification, is that really one meter deep?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: vanessamarjohnson on October 11, 2009, 05:31:23 PM
is the spinach be good to give to the pigs?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on October 12, 2009, 09:26:19 PM
I do think that it is 1 meter and you need a lot of saw dust, charcoal etc....

Spinach, they can eat it but you still need to add sources of energy like corn etc


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: mikey on November 30, 2009, 01:26:11 PM
10 fundamentals of organic farming" is Livestock integration. The subject was very interesting especially the organic hog raising adapted from Korean Natural Farming method.

Example

Fermented Feed-Starter:
Rice bran (D1): CP= 14%, Weight: 50Kg
Copra Meal:     CP= 22%, Weight: 7Kg
Soy Meal:        CP= 47%, Weight: 10Kg
Greens:            CP= 15%, Weight: 15Kg
EM and Molasses: 100mL ea/10 liters



Example of feeding schedule:

week               Commercial Feed                  Fermented Feed
1                             75%                                     25%
2                             50%                                     50%
3                             25%                                     75%
4                             0%                                      100%


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: junday16 on December 15, 2009, 08:13:18 PM
doc  pwd hingi rin ako ng manual ng tamang pagpurga ng baboy doc tanx a lot doc gd bles,junday_16@yahoo.com


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on December 15, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
check your mail


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: doods on December 16, 2009, 06:28:03 PM
doc,
   good day po sa aknila..tanung ko lang po doc yung fermented feeds po ba ay may expiration date din po ba?hanggang kelan po ba dapat sya naka-stay sa lalagyan nito o sa imbakan nito?at kung tatagal po ba ito dun makakasama po ba ito sa kalusugan ng baboy?thank you po doc and more power.....


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on December 17, 2009, 03:38:36 PM
Trial and error po kasi ang nangyayari sa fermented feeds. Yun iba after seven days saka nila ipinapakain sa animal.

If maferment natin kasi itong matagal aasim ng husto ito which could upset the stomach nung animal.



Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: dhickboy on June 06, 2010, 09:44:43 AM
doc halimbawa po magpalaki ako ng baboy for fattening.. pwede ba na after 3months e alternative feeds na ung in-take.. ung first 3 e ung commercial?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: dhickboy on June 06, 2010, 09:47:18 AM
will there be effect in terms of quality...


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: TEAM LATINO on June 10, 2010, 11:21:36 AM
doc magandang araw..

STARTER

10 KLS HAMMERED
8 KLS.TIKI TIKI PALAY
7 KLS PPC(Pig Protien Concentrate)



GROWER

6  KLS CORN HAMMERED
6 KLS TIKI TIKI PALAY
3 KLS. PPC(Pig Protien Concentrate)



ask ko lang kung ok po ba ito sa alternative feeds i apply po?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on June 11, 2010, 07:42:56 PM
I cannot comment po whether magiging mganda ba ito or pangit sa alaga nila. May factor kasi ang genetics dito eh.

Pero better kung sa grower at finisher na lang sila mag alternative and prestarter and starter is commercial. Once kasi na nabansot ang animal dahil sa maling pakain mahirap na itong habulin. Very sensitive kasi yun stage na pre and starter.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: TEAM LATINO on June 15, 2010, 09:35:42 AM
ok po maraming salamat...san po tayo makabili nong manual ng swine raising po dito  SOCSKSARGEN AREA PO?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on June 15, 2010, 09:40:52 PM
ala po kasing store na mabibilhan nito, payment is done through money transfer  then send ko lang ang manual by lbc, jrs or fedex


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: TEAM LATINO on June 16, 2010, 09:58:06 AM
mga magkano kaya yan doc?para mapaghandaan po,pwede din po ba sa lbc pera padala?


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on June 16, 2010, 07:17:22 PM
lbc pera padala  po yun mode of payment. see your email for details


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Marina1972 on June 23, 2010, 09:01:05 PM
doc  pwd hingi rin ako ng manual ng tamang pagpurga ng baboy doc tanx a lot doc gd bles,junday_16@yahoo.com


Doc Nemo,

Pwede pong paki-forward this sa akin ang manual about pagpupurga ng baboy?  Thank you very much Doc Nemo.  More power! 

Ay me bayad po pala, paki-forward naman po kung kanino ipapadala ang pera at kung paano.  Salamat ng marami.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: swine_enthu on July 16, 2010, 03:03:47 PM
Doc Nemo,

Have you tried feeding DE ( diatomaceuos earth) to swine ?
what are the effects ?



Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: bebeh_dukz on August 18, 2010, 10:55:40 AM
doc nemo,
  ask ko lang kung okay lng ba na dagdagan ng rice bran ung commercial feeds n ipa2kain s mga pigs q? Di q po babawasan ung rec0mmended na dami ng feeds pero dagdagan ko lng ng rice bran..


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on August 18, 2010, 08:40:52 PM
swine_enthu havent tried it....

bebeh_dukz

kung pauntiunti lang it is okay... kung marami kasi minsan feeling busog na sila kaya hindi na kakain ng commercial feeds.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: bebeh_dukz on August 19, 2010, 07:37:52 AM
well mixed po ung rice bran at ung c0mmercial feeds.. at ngaung grower stage q lng cla dnagdagan ng rice bran..


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Veni on April 08, 2011, 03:59:48 PM
Hey doc can you find us the trade secret?A private pm would be ok I could cut you in the action.I sure would like to know because I have like 45 piglets and not sure what to do sell them or do fatting?

If i found one i'll just post it here.

Mikey,
 I think silagin is not feasible for swine. THe counterpart of it in swine is called fermentation and unlike silaging you can't store it for a long time.
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soybean  %DM cp-43.0.cf-7.7
coconut oil meal,coconut cake or copra meal:
coconut oil meal%DM cp-24.6,ash-6.2,cf-10.8,ee-0.4
raw copra%DM cp-7.6,ash-1.2,cf-3.5,ee-66.2
rubber seed meal%DM cp-38.0,ash-5.3,cf-3.9,ee-12.6
ipil-ipil-sun dry leaves prior to use
azolla dried milled%DM cp-23.7,ash-28,7,cf-15.0
yeast,derivatives of tropical crops such as sugar cane
sugar cane c molasses%DM type A cp-34.9,ash-4.1,cf-0.5,ee-0.2,type b cp-37.0.ash-5.5,cf-0.7,ee-0.
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If you have this thing  you will just need another protein source and i think you could create a formula for your swine.


Hi Doc, in this post you mentioned azolla. A few weeks ago i happen to get myself a mother stock of azolla and right now is trying to propagate it in my small newly-built pond. It is a foot deep, laced with the pig's manure and wastewater from the piggery. This plant multiplies so fast and i have plans for it to add to my commercial grains, as alternative feed. I have read it has a pretty high protein content.
Veni


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on April 08, 2011, 06:21:47 PM
ginagamit nila as additional feed ingredients po ang azolla


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Veni on April 09, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
true Doc, i will mix it with my grains, ferment for three days, then fed to pigs.
There is a Food Bowl right now happening at Centris Walk at Edsa Ave cor Quezon Avenue every Fri-Sat night. There is a booth there by Phil for Natural Farming that gives out azolla stocks for free. For the Manila-based and nearby you can try.
Veni


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Veni on April 11, 2011, 01:45:50 PM
"Instead of the usual cement floor found in commercial piggeries, the pigpens are excavated one meter deep then filled with a mixture of sawdust, clean soil and a little salt. To be more specific, for every 10 sacks of sawdust, 5 sacks of soil and one kilo of salt are mixed together. The mixture serves as the bedding that absorbs the manure as well as the urine of the animals."

I read this one, and just want to have a clarification, is that really one meter deep?

Vanessa, yes it is one meter deep. I use this deep-bedding system from the natural farming technology of the Korean Dr Cho.
There is a once-a-week spraying of IMO(indegenous microorganism) to sanitize the pen, decompose the manure and deodorize the surroundings. You gotta see one to believe - no bath, no-smell pigs in their natural habitat.
Veni


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: piggyrian on April 19, 2011, 12:01:01 PM
magandang umaga po sa inyong lahat, may question po sana ako, i hope po may maka tulong po sakin regarding sakin concern, i try to find some raw materials here samin lugar, but it seem like ayaw ng mga tindera at may ari ng mga may pwesto sa market na mag bgay ng info kung san makakabili ng mga raw materials para maka gawa ng self mix feeds. pero ito yung mga ilang raw materials na available samin, pede po b ito gawing self mix feeds sa baboy? ito yung nakita ko na available.

corn (corn grits)
darak
palyat
trigo
cassava
ipil ipil
malungay
salt


  pede ho ba yan na maging alternative na feeds at sapat po ba yan para makuha ng  baboy  ang kelangan nilang nutrients sa katawan. plan ko po kasi try kahit konti muna, mix ko lahat ng ingrients na yan. help nmn po pls. tnx so much and more power. god bless sa lahat ng mag bababuy.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on April 20, 2011, 08:21:22 PM
pwede po sila lahat...

it is a matter na lang ng tamang formulation and a animal nutritionist ang kailangan nila..

check this link  para magkaidea ka.... How to make grower feeds (http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/feed_formulation/grower_mash_formulation-t687.0.html)


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: piggyrian on April 21, 2011, 03:25:24 PM
doc nemo, gudpm po. tanx po sa advice, nag try po ako kanina, i mix all the ingredients that i have, ipil2x, malungay, corn grits, darak, palyat, konting asin, trigo, hinalo ko po sila mabuti at try ko na ipakain dun sa grower ko na baboy. kinain naman po niya. ang concern ko lang po sna kung mga itong ingredients na ito ang gagamitin ko, gano nmn po kaya karami na ang halo pag kunwari mag hahalo na po ako ng mga 3sako? kasi ho yung ginawa ko ho kanina is konti lang. gusto ko po sana malaman kung mga ilan quantity na yung dami ng mga ingredients na paghahaluin. bgyan nyu nmn po ako ng advice tungkol dito. mga gaano po ka raming mais,darak,trigo,palyat,cassava,salt,malungay,ipil2x ang mailalagay ko sa 3sako. advice nmn po doc pls. help po. tnx so much and god bless. yung sa cassava po pala papatuyuin po pala mua yun bago ihalo. tnx po. advice lang po doc, tnx. more power


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on April 24, 2011, 04:59:10 PM
Please check na lang po dun sa link na binigay ko.
Pwede nilang i compute yun percentage by dividing the ingredient in kilos  by  total kilos and multiple nila by 100 nalang. then saka nila iadopt sa available n  mix nila.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Veni on May 02, 2011, 03:50:17 AM
"Instead of the usual cement floor found in commercial piggeries, the pigpens are excavated one meter deep then filled with a mixture of sawdust, clean soil and a little salt. To be more specific, for every 10 sacks of sawdust, 5 sacks of soil and one kilo of salt are mixed together. The mixture serves as the bedding that absorbs the manure as well as the urine of the animals."

I read this one, and just want to have a clarification, is that really one meter deep?

Vanessa, yes it is one meter deep. I use this deep-bedding system from the natural farming technology of the Korean Dr Cho.
There is a once-a-week spraying of IMO(indegenous microorganism) to sanitize the pen, decompose the manure and deodorize the surroundings. You gotta see one to believe - no bath, no-smell pigs in their natural habitat.
Veni

here's the link that does it - http://balogo.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/how-to-make-deep-bedding-system-dbs/


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: aimeezarch23 on May 19, 2011, 10:50:45 PM
since may mango tree un inlaws ko mlpit sa backyard piggery nila,mga ripe mango fruits ang pnpakain nya sa mga fattening nya.ang bilis nga nila lumaki snce sweet and ripe palatable cia sa mga baboy.
im not sure kung ok b tlg yun kaya ask ko po un opinion nio.bale isinasama nya sa feeds ung mga ripe mangoes pr makatipid s feeds kc pmahal ng pmahal ang feeds!lugi ang mga hog raisers eh!

 :-\ :-\:-\


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: babuylaber on May 20, 2011, 08:27:06 AM
ang masama po siguro dito ay kung nag spray sila sa mango at active pa yung component ng gamot bago ipinakain. makakabuti po siguro kung ibigay na lang nila as meryenda yung mango. or hindi po kaya masmabuti kung ibenta na lang nila yung mga bunga ng mangga at pambili nila ng feeds ang pinagbentahan nito


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: laguna_piglets on May 20, 2011, 09:26:29 AM
Medyo delikado din kung may maliliit ng buto ng mangga tapos nalunok nila, malaki possible magbara yun sa esophagus nya.. At pagkakaganun ppwde na manghihina sya kumain at mamayat eventually mamatay.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: Tinkerbell on August 05, 2011, 09:26:48 AM
Hi members/guests, please be advised that we have plenty of fattners and piglets available for sale in Montalban, Rizal.  For queries, please send private message at rosalyn321@yahoo.com or text 09228856875 for details.  Thank you and let's move forward!


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: up_n_und3r on August 05, 2011, 10:22:27 PM
Hello po, I'm looking for corn grits, cnu po nagbebenta dito? txt me: 09392758626 thanks.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: edheljoy on February 07, 2012, 11:17:15 AM

 Hi po,

  Gusto ko po mag start ng pig raising business. No experience po ako. Ask ko lng po if its possible to mix left over foods at commercial foods? If yes ano po brand ng commercial food? Salamat po.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on February 08, 2012, 08:56:00 PM
check your mail


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: rhianna5927 on May 21, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
hi po, pede po ba me magrequest ng alternative feeds copy.tnx po


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: erik_0930 on May 21, 2012, 10:02:57 PM
hi po, pede po ba me magrequest ng alternative feeds copy.tnx po

Pwede po ang mga forage plants gaya ng madre de agua, rensoni, flamenga, indigopera at mulberry dahil taglay nito ang 22 % crude protein na kailangan ng ating alagang hayop base sa pag aaral sa UPLB pwede po nating gawing alternatibong pakain ang mga ito hanggang 50% ng pagkain ng baboy...


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: deanellen on June 04, 2012, 11:46:22 AM
doc nemo, hi po!
how much wheat, pollard, rice bran, soya, copra meal should we mix in order to make 1 ton of feeds?
thanks!


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on June 04, 2012, 06:45:25 PM
are you asking me for the right amount for a specific age group of swine?

to be honest i am not a nutritionist so i cant assume po yun right amount. you need to compute pa kasi  kung saan papatak yun feeding program nyo.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: deanellen on June 04, 2012, 07:26:33 PM
almost for all po... pre-starter to finisher at breeder at lactating po. pwede ba kahit magkano o talagang meron range nito for each stage?  :)


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: nemo on June 05, 2012, 08:50:38 PM
ang bawat ingredients kasi to have the optimum result para sa animal ay meron maximum amount allowed lang . and bawat ingredients ibaiba ang energy, protein, nutrients ang makikita sa kanila.

ito po ngayon ang trabaho ng animal nutritionist, sila ho ang maghahalo or formulate  bawat ingredients kung gaano karami ang kanilang imimix para magbigay ng optimal result.

kaya po masmahal ang commercial feeds dahil most of the time ito balance diet na para sa animal.


Title: Re: Alternative Feeds.
Post by: deanellen on June 09, 2012, 12:13:14 AM
ah ok. thanks po. gusto ko sana magmix ng own feeds. hehe. ;D