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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2008, 08:15:01 PM »
Yun 36 days ay considered na 1 day ng starter feed.

Yun weight ng feeds na ibibigay ay average nya sa buong feeding cycle.

Ano ibig sabihin, halimbawa sa prestarter stage ang average ay 0.60 kg per day  pero sa edad na 36 day na edad  hindi pa nila kaya ubusin ito or in extreme case ito na yun max na kaya nila ubusin. Habang nagkakaidad sila maaari pang tumaas hanggang 1.20 kgs ang kanilang kakainin.

Yun given feeding program is batayan mo in everyday feeding  pero pwede kang tumaas dyan depende sa lakas kumain ng alaga mo.

So, sa opinion ko ang pinakamagandang pakain is ad libitum pero paunti unti. Bigay ka pagkain hanggat mauubos nila.


TRanslation.....

The 36 day is considered the 1st day of the starter feed.

The given weight of feeds is just an average.

Ad libitum feeding (Small quantity but frequent feeding interval) is still the best for pigs.

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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2009, 02:32:34 AM »
ano po ang feeding schedule ng biik to sow/gilt to farrowing.


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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2009, 07:24:40 PM »
Just go back on the first page of this thread, there is a simple feeding guide.
 
In terms of sow feeding guide, this is an example taken from ACE feed Brochure. Possible that ACE feeds have an updated feeding program, i am just posting it here to give you an idea.


gilts   10-14 days before breeding 2.4-2.8 kg brood sow pellet

pregnant sow   early gestation (1-21 days of pregnancy) 1.8-2.0 kg of feed per day/ brood sow
                     mid gestation (22-86 days of pregnancy) 2.0 -2.2 kg of feed per day/broodsow
                     late gestation (87-112 days of pregnancy) 2.4-2.6 kgs of lactating feeds per day
                      2 days before farrowing - 2kgs lactating feeds
lactation     1-7 days  farrowed-   1-4 kgs of lactating feeds               
                 8-25 days of lactation -4-5 kgs of feeds
                26-27 days of lactation 2-2.2 kgs of lactating feeds
                weaning day   1 kgs lactating feeds
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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2009, 04:12:13 PM »
Hi Doc Nemo,
Doc, bakit po ba di maiiwasasn ang pagtatae ng mga biik everytime we shifted feeds to the next stage ?
WE have 3 batches na nakaranas nito. It happens during the shifting of booster to pre-starter and pre-starter to starter. Cooperative Commercial Feeds naman ang gamit namin. 2 x a week naman kami naga disinfect sa kulungan at completo naman ang meds ng mga biik from Day 1- Day 35. Doc, baka may recomended ka na gamot na mas epektibo para pag nag shift to the next stage ng pagkain ay matibay na ang sikmura ng mga biik ? Currently we are using Univet for 3 batches and  Bayer for the 4 batch. Salamat.



Proper Shifting feeds

Ang pagpapalit ng feeds ay ginagawa sa dalawang kadahilanan.:
1)   Paglipat sa susunod na baiting/stage ng pagpapakain.
2)   Paglipat ng ibang brand o produkto.

Dapat na tandaan na sa paglipat ng feeds ay kailangan gawin itong gradual.

Halimbawa:

Kung ang inyong alaga ay pinapakain nyo ng prestarter at ito ay ililipat na sa starter feeds ito ay dapat nyong gawin

1.   Unang araw : Maghalo ng 75% prestarter at 25% starter feeds. Ang ganitong combinasyon ang ang inyong ipakain sa kanilang alaga sa tuwing papakainin ang baboy
2.   Pangalawang araw: Maghalo ng 50% prestarter at 50 % starter.
3.   Pangatlong araw: Maghalo ng 25% prestarter at 75 % starter.
4.   Pang apat na araw:100% starter na.

Kung ikaw naman ay lilipat ng ibang brand kahit na parehas ng stage ng pagpapakain ay dapat ganito rin ang pagpapakain.

Ito ay ginagawa upang maiwasan ang pagtatae o paninibago ng baboy sa pagkain.
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Proper Shifting feeds

Shifting of feeds is due to two reason:

1.   Shifting to the next stage of the feeding program.
2.   Changing from one brand to another.

We must always remember that shifting feeds should be done gradual.

Example:

If your animal current feed is prestarter and you are shifting it to starter this is what you should do:
1. First day:  Mix 75% prestarter and 25% starter feeds. This combination should be given to the animal every meal.
2. Second day: Mix 50% prestarter and 50% starter.
3. Third day:  Mix 25% prestarter and 75% starter.
4. Fourth day:  Give 100% starter.

If you are shifting from one brand to another whether it is the same stage or not you must follow the same procedure as above.

This is primarily done to prevent diarrhea and to prevetn upset stomach to the animal.


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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2009, 09:21:31 PM »
B---g, ito ho ba brand ng feeds nila?

iF the animal have wet droppings but eat normal and does not lose weight, okay lang ito.

BUt if the animal loses weight then this is a concern.

You can try to extend the shifting of feeds from 4 days make it 6-7 days.


25-75
25-75
50-50
50-50
75-25
75-25
100%

Hoping this would give the animal enough time to adapt to the new feed
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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2009, 03:19:44 PM »
Panu naman po ang proper shifting sa dry feeding to wet feeding? 

And how true po na mas mainam po magpurga every shift ng feeds?

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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2009, 06:58:24 PM »
I think there is no literature that will tell you how to shift from dry to wet feeding. Usually it is done instantly. Just mix water and feeds.
But to be safe you could try to increase the water part of the feed by 25% per day until you have  mixture of 50% feeds and 50% water.

Assuming:

Feed intake per day         water to be mixed
 2 kg                                  500 ml -first day
                                        1 liter  - 2nd day
                                        1.5  - 3rd day
                                        2 liter - 4th day

Observe whether the animal will consume all his feeds.
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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2010, 09:51:19 PM »
This is taken from the pamphlet of ACE FEEDS feeding program


Type of feeds
booster
pre starter
starter
grower
finisher
age of animal
6-35
36-60
61-90
91-120
121-up to market
kg of feed per day
0.10
0.60
1.20
2.2
2.8

I could not find the weight per stage.
More often in backyard setting feeds is given according to age of animal and not in weight for it would be stressful for the animal to weigh them

Those who are old timers in the business could estimate the weight of the animal by merely looking at them. By this means they adjust the feed according to the weight of the animal.

      

Doc Nemo ang edad ba sa table ay base sa edad nong ma walay sa ina or simula nong mapanaganak ang mga biik? Kasi po 8 days na po na nasa akin at 45 days sa inahin bago ko kinuha sa piggery dito sa amin.

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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2010, 10:46:49 AM »
mula po pagkapanganak yan
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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2010, 07:17:47 PM »
maraming salamat po Doc Nemo. Malaking tulong po talaga kayo sa kagaya naming baguhan.

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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2010, 06:56:07 PM »

Doc,

Good day po.

what po ang epekto sa mga alaga nmin n fateners kung d nmin nasunod ung feeding program?.example po, after feeding of booster for 14 days, shift kami sa pre starter.after 2 weeks feeding of pre starter, shift nman to starter for 2 weeks.then grower n po agad....may mga nkapagsbi po kc smin n gnun din daw nman po resulta sa baboy khit sandali lng cla kumain ng pre starter at starter..tsaka financially po, mas mganda daw ung mblis magshift kc mas mura po ang grower feeds sabi nila...

please advise po kung ano ang mga advantages at disadvantages sa ganitong praan...

tnx po.

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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2010, 07:30:41 PM »
It would depend din kasi sa animal nila.

We usually follow the feeding program para maassess natin kung maganda ang epekto ng feeds sa ating animal. If babaguhin natin ang kanilang rekomendasyon it could go both ways pwedeng maganda ang epekto pwede ding pangit.

KUng sakaling binago natin ang feeding program tapos pumangit ang laki nang animal hindi natin basta basta pwedeng iattribute na dhil ito sa feeds.

Kung sakali naman sinunod natin ang feeding program at maganda ang naging result ska nalang sila magchange ng feeding program. At least kahit papaano masasabi mo naman na maganda ang feeds at ittry mo lang pagandahin pa  ang epekto nito by changing the feeding program.

So far kasi mas proven yun pagfollow sa recomendation ng feed company.
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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2010, 08:02:16 PM »
how to control the bad odor in fattening pigs? Please advise.

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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2010, 07:31:07 PM »
be sure na always dry ang flooring ng pig pen and try to use biogas digester for manure storage.

There are also some feeds that have odor minimizer
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Re: Proper Shifting of feeds
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2010, 08:58:58 PM »
@doc nemo - may table po ba tayo ng expected weight of pig after every stage (i.e., prestarter, starer, grower, finisher) or sa age ng baboy (30, 60, 90, 120, 150 days)?

Gusto ko kcing tignan or icompare yung mga baboy if nsa average sila. i got the formula in getting the estimated weight of a pig by simply measuring heart x= girth and length from y = mid-ear to base of tail (est wt = ((x *x * y)/880)) = wt in kg.

This is my way to check along the way kung ok ung paglaki nila and to also compare na rin ung output ng 2 feeds. And less stress ito for the pigs kc no need for them para timbangin.
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