can I make my own pig crumble

[Parislang]

What is base mix?is it same with the generic hog concentrate?

[nemo]

base mix is same as hog concentrate.

[mikey]

Dr. Nemo,lets say i find the fish meal in Cebu,if I increase the protein part by 1 kg. every other month this should be okay,I am wondering if 1 can give the hogs too much protein??
Good Day Doc.                                  mikey

[nemo]

Too much is relative to the metabolism of the animal. There are standards the nutritionist follow on how much protein an animal gets in different stages. There are animals that even you give a high amount of protein will only grow at a certain pace.

Usually as the animal grow the need of protein becomes less. That is why prestarter and starter feeds are much expensive than grower and finisher feeds because of the protein content.

You could increase the soya part but i would suggest not to increase the fish meal.

Fish meal is given in little quantity in the feed mix. There is a certain limit on how much you can give this.

[mikey]

Doc, Thanks,I understand,Doc, am told you cannot feed raw soya beans to hogs,must be cooked or roasted first,is this correct.
Thanks again                        mikey

[nemo]

all ingredients must be cooked first. This is to help in the proper digestion of the food.

[nemo]

You're welcome

[mikey]

Doc,when you say all ingredients should be cooked first,you mean corn.barley,wheat etc.how many times a day should one feed their hogs,I would like to feed our hogs more often but the in laws tell me it will make the hogs sick,I tried to explain to them here in Canada the hogs are fed by automatic feeders,the hogs can eat when they want to,the fatteners that is,they feed our hogs 3 times a day with snacks in between.
Doc,almost forgot to ask you this question,fish meal is processed fish scraps,if one was to buy fresh fish and cook it with the other ingredients,will this work for us,would save us alot of time traveling to Cebu???
Thanks again Doc.                 mikey

[mikey]

There are ingredients than can be fed to hogs,have found its the % and DM content,never seems to be listed or added.is this a trade secret or something??
After examining different methods of mixing feeds,I am considering silage because it seems to be less labour intensive,able to make  any amount one wishes at at given time,storage seems to be the only problem,was thinking about adding molasses just before the hogs get their feedings,would seem to be less expensive in the long term,getting raw materials might be a problem,if one could not grow their own.
Later: mikey

[Slyfox]

Dr. Nemo,lets say i find the fish meal in Cebu,if I increase the protein part by 1 kg. every other month this should be okay,I am wondering if 1 can give the hogs too much protein??
Good Day Doc.                                  mikey

minimum fishmeal requirement for  piglet 5 to 8 % only. you should also check your feed ENERGY

all ingredients must be cooked first. This is to help in the proper digestion of the food.

it's not true you can  feed pig in raw

[mikey]

with silage you do not need fishmeal.Already found plant sources for protein content.
Fishmeal diet for pigs,quality and flavour of pig meat are at their best when fishmeal is typically included at up to 2% of the diet,between 5-10% in creep and starter feeds,and around 4% in grower/finisher rations.Fishmeal may be fed at levels of up to 5% contributing to no more than 0.5% fish oil,to growing and finishing pigs.A withholding period of up to 5-7 weeks before slaughter as not to negatively affect the quality of the meat.
mikey: Region 7,Independant Producer:

[nemo]

There are ingredients than can be fed to hogs,have found its the % and DM content,never seems to be listed or added.is this a trade secret or something??

It is how they  mixed  this ingredients. In large feed milling they use linear programming on which the computer will compute for the proper mix feeds withe the least cost for their part. Although it does not mean that it is the best formula but it only show you the most economical formula that will satisfy the requirement of the animal.

Fish meal with silage? not sure but i think it is not okay to do.

Slyfox,

true you could feed it raw but like i said to help in proper digestion it better to cook it.

[mikey]

Doc,the plan is to cook my own fishmeal,sun dry it,moisture free now,at time of mixing the silage feed ,add the fishmeal crumble/powder and some molasses,feed to the hogs.This is the direction I am headed in,silage seems to be the least labour intensive,cooking it everyday would be very labour intensive,that is why I feel silage would help.Once you opened the silage up,let the air circulate it,will stop the fermenting process,able to store in a dry place then.Would do the same with the corn,cook it first,sun dry,store,now one has the DM, the only other part is the % part of the formulation.
Later:mikey

[nemo]

You don't need to cook it everyday you just need to make a batch feed per week.

once you have exposed silage to air its life span would be shorter because bacteria will start to proliferate. So, better check how long you could store it after exposing it to air.

[mikey]

Urea, might be a better idea,already in dm form,my understanding use no more than 10% in total.
Later: mikey