housing design

[mikey]

SamX
Nice barn.No I do not know Mr Tinasas.I agree goats enjoy different forage feeds,the more the better.Mullberry will not grow in our area and you told me it will not grow in your area,indigonofera grows in our area and I believe it acts as a by-pass protein in the goats system,also used in the industrial application for blue dyes.Malunggay grows in our area and I will use this instead of mullberry plus experiment with beans to replace corn,corns requires more inputs to grow while beans require less inputs and better for the soil as well.Beans also have a higher protein level over corn.Munggo beans grow well in our area,plus will plant field peas next season to see if they will grow.

I am still waiting to see if the Philippines will ever set a standard for meat goats.I wrote about this some years back but the responce was negative,the reason why I have lined myself with the AMGA and ADGA and Lonesome Dove Farms.

[samX]

mikey,
our big brothers in the goat industry are talking about standards on meat goats. with art almeda,martin, neo abalos and others talking about it maybe next year there would already be a standard for meat goats.



another exmaple of a housing design:
TJ farm
baliuag,bulacan

the extension goathouse roof is made of rubber(cost is 120pesos 4ftby8ft if im not mistaken) and some old ,woods are mostly palo china and outlumbers.

[mikey]

SamX
good luck with trying to set up a standard for meat goats.Our information is telling us the meat buyers and meat processors will be the ones who decide if they will except any standards.Some dealers are telling us they have a sort of standard for buying goats already.Look at the hog and poultry industry,prices differ from island to island and those in the hog federation who have large enough farms are given price listings for their products,even those under contract for poultry have a set price for live weight.I think the same will apply to the goat industry as a whole.Demand for goat meat in Metro Manila is already largely supplied by goat farms exporting out of Bacolod.Luzon is not suppling most of the live goats for Manila,its the Visayas.The hub for suppling goats is the Visayas at this point.Fortune Foods has stated they plan to breed their own goats for a supply of meat for their canned export products,for now they will buy goats until they can supply their own from their farm(s).I tell you what I think might happen,some of the largest operators will form some sort of assoc.and retail their own meat and set up their own standards.N.Aballos is already retailing his own meat goats through his retail stores and restaurants.He is successful on his own.
Thats the advantage I see,retail your own product.As a member of the AMGA,the AMGA has no presence in the Philippines.I have set up my own standards taken from Australia,Canada and the USA.Grades go from 1-4
grade-1-prime
grade-2-choice
grade-3-good
grade-4-utility or cull
how I decide what qualifies for grades is age,muscle,condition,breed and sex is of no importance.

A rubber roof,thats interesting.I would not count on the big brothers helping anyone market their products but their own.

[jedmaster]

any updates mga sir?  this thread is really informative and very interesting.. Sana mag tuloy-tuloy pa!

[mikey]

True,Sam X has not been in this site for some time now,he has some interesting pictures.

As for meat goat production,have not heard much about it,maybe something will happen at the Agri 2009 showmart.I am sure more information will follow.

I think an Assoc. of sorts will form and some set of standards will be available to all to see.If standards for goats could be agreed upon by the country as a whole,who knows will take some time.
Its a start and will bebefit the goat industry as a whole for the long term future.

Farm to plate is the key,to market your own product(s) puts more cashflow into ones operation and adds more value from your goats.More value more cash.

Location is also important,closer to major urban centres one has an easier time of marketing their product(s).Much more difficult when farms are location in the provinces.But not impossible,one needs to be more creative.

What do I think of F1 boers as meat potential.Any goat has meat potential.Personally I have found F2 boers to be better suited for quality meat and the F1 does better for the creation of F2s.But F1 bucklings and bucks are sold off for meat purposes.The better your breeding sire is the greater your chances for success.The object is to feed the F2s as cheap as possible as they are sold off for meat only,but still realize good ADG (average daily gain).

I am sure news will follow from the Agri Show.
(personal comments only)
mikey

[samX]

mikey,
been busy im here in US since last year.visiting farms and seeing whats in here.

i think some of the members of goatraisers yahoo group talk about the meat standards.ive not hears about the results yet.

i agree with you about farm to plate. goat raising is likely to have a niche market.like here they have their buyers.they have like a schedule for different etnic groups that uses goats or need goats.milks are sold or made into cheese,soaps, etc by farm owners.

i also agree about F1 and F2 for meat. strict culling is a must. and weighing of goat is needed. does that have good ADG could be kept as breeders.

as of now i really dont know whats happening about the goat industry in the Philippines.last season i lost at least 8 kids and 6 does from the nonstop rains.i lost 1 lamb with unknown death.not lost a single native pig.the farm was flooded with water during the ondoy typhoon knee-level.fellow UBGSRA members just update me on the groups project like CAE testing and AI on goats.

ill try to post some pics of some farms here that i visited.they do have different structures.

[mikey]

SamX
good for you,visiting different goat farms helps in the long run.hehehe,N.Americans cannot relate to housing off the ground,different here.Markets here are special niche markets and one can do different things with their milk.
I have now found there is a market for meat goats in the Philippines but you have to find your own restaurant(s) that will buy your live goat(s).One will get money for the muscle plus stomach plus hide.Selling live only to the traders nets only one price based on kg.
Now breeding for F2 boers for 2010 season and will sell all to the restaurant.

Our local DA with the Regional DA is pushing for dairy in this area and will buy any/all milk produced or the producer can retail if they wish too.
My main problem is,we do not have a really good dairy anglo buck as of yet and our anglo has good cannon bone lenght but not known for his dairyness,finding the right buck will take time in searching and also selective breeding.Crossbreeding would save alot of time and money.Had an intersting talk with a farm in New Zealand,in the beginning,they were having many of the problems some of us are facing in the Philippines with anglos,short laction periods.Over the years they have improved their herd by selecting better anglo bucks known for dairyness.Will come in time but looks like the Philippine Govt. is looking more at the saanen for dairy.

SamX,did you see some nice anglo dairy goats??
Farmers Feed The World.
mikey

[pinoymacuser]

I have a 72 sqm elevated housing for my birthing does

Since that first house, I have added 5 more litter type houses that cost less but serve the purpose for me ;-)

Will post a link in a day or two ;-)

[mikey]

Pinoymacuser
Welcome,personally I do not know much about litter types of flooring and have never tried it and the elevated flooring seems to work best for us in our location.My main concern is always worms and the reason why I have 7ft elevated flooring.Cocci are shed by goats and can cause young kids many problems.I would think if one was deworming on a regular bases the litter type of flooring has value.
Best of luck to you: