Feed formulation- Square method.

[gunder_3910]

Hello Doc Nemo,

I posted a formula a few months ago located in this site http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/feed_formulation/grower_mash_formulation-t687.0.html;msg9664#msg9664.

You said that I remind you regarding your opinion, but I guess it has probably been overlooked since I haven't heard from you about this. Two of my sows have given birth to very healthy piglets & I intend to move on by applying the said formula, but this time you are suggesting that I cook the formula in order to aid in the digestion?

My question is, should cooking be the only option in lieu of processing it by way of milling, will this not affect the nutrient consistency expedient to the piglet's growth?

[nemo]

yeah, sorry for that. i have overlooked a lot of things in this forum....

It is better for piglets to eat cook feeds. They still have sensitive intestine and by cooking it will help in their digestion.
Half cook it so it would not loss much nutrients. By cooking also you can prolong the quality of the feeds.

[gunder_3910]

Hello Doc,

Thank you for responding. I'm glad you have suggested this. I was considering to have a local shop build an equipment that would process my own feeds recently, but the price for this custom made design is just incredible. I was afraid that if I will invest in this machinery I might not be of much use if in case it does not serve what I need for the processing my feeds. I'm only limiting my capacity to 10 sows & so far, I am satisfied with what I am doing for the time being. I am still exploring the possibilities of making ROI a priority from the these sows which basically was an idea that you have suggested last time.

Anyway, weren't it for your ideas, I wouldn't have much success in my venture.  I will be updating you in the future how things turned out. Thanks again & more power to pinoyagribusiness.com.

[nemo]

For sure once you  achieved your ROI you are more familiar with hog raising na. And expanding would be simple task nalang.

[dryllez]

I am a newbie and I also wanted to know more about hog raising. I found this forum and I hope that this can help me a lot.

[evad_c9]

doc, d2 me davao. ask ko lang kong ok lang na Pig Proten Consentrated (PPC) product ng B-Meg ang gamit namin, mix namin ang corn yon lang yon lang ang halo wala ng iba. Ok lang po ba yon na feeds para sa hog?

[piggyrian]

hi gudpm po mga kasamahan, bago lang po ako dito, pero matagal na ako nagbabasa sa mga mssg. dito sa forum, madami nadin ako natutunan. sa pag-aalaga hangang sa pag papa anak ng inahin. alam ko nadin po mga ilang basic na kelangan ng isang mag bababuy ang corcern ko lang po ngayon ay ang patuloy na pag taas ng mga commercial feeds na mukang nakaka bahala tlga, sana po meron po magbgay po sa amin mga bigginers ng mga paraan at mga sangkap na pedeng magamit or magawa para sa sariling feeds, gusto ko lang po sana subukan. testingin ko sana sa isang baboy muna. sana po mabigyan nyu ako ng mga formula or ingredients sa pag gawa ng feeds simula starter hangang sa finisher. malaking tulong po para sa akin at sa maraming mag bababuy dito sa batangas lalo na sa lugar namin. maraming salamat po, more power.

[mikegwaps]

kuyang evad yung binilhan niyo po ng PPC siguradong merong rekomendasyon ng tamang timpla. masmaganda po siguro kung susundin natin yun. nakakatipid na po tayo sa paggamit ng PPC wag po nating sagarin at baka lalo tayong malugi.

kuyang piggyrian, siguro try mo muna yung PPC na sinasabi ni kuyang evad, almost half the price po ang matitipid depende lang sa location at demand ng mga ihahalo.

[piggyrian]

magandang umaga po sa inyong lahat, may question po sana ako, i hope po may maka tulong po sakin regarding sakin concern, i try to find some raw materials here samin lugar, but it seem like ayaw ng mga tindera at may ari ng mga may pwesto sa market na mag bgay ng info kung san makakabili ng mga raw materials para maka gawa ng self mix feeds. pero ito yung mga ilang raw materials na available samin, pede po b ito gawing self mix feeds sa baboy? ito yung nakita ko na available.

corn (corn grits)
darak
palyat
trigo
cassava
ipil ipil
malungay
salt


  pede ho ba yan na maging alternative na feeds at sapat po ba yan para makuha ng  baboy  ang kelangan nilang nutrients sa katawan. plan ko po kasi try kahit konti muna, mix ko lahat ng ingrients na yan. help nmn po pls. tnx so much and more power. god bless sa lahat ng mag bababuy.


 tanung ko lang din po sana if ang palyat b at ang copra meal ay iisa lang???are they the same??? sana matulungn nyu ako sa mga       question ko, tnx po ulit

[doods]

doc,
    good day po..bakit iba-iba ang kailangan ng cp content ng baboy in every stage,hndi po ba pwedeng isang formulation na lang at isang cp content hanggang sa sila ay mabenta na...thank you po..

[nemo]

piggyrian,

hindi kita matulungan sa formulation kasi hindi naman ako nutritionist... ang corn , darak, trigo, salt, yan na ang basic ng feed formulation nid na lang nila ng addition protein source.

@ doods
kaya iba iba yung cp and formula kasi you are trying to maximize yung growth ng animal kaya at every stage nag aadjust ka ng cp mo.

In theory naman kasi pwedeng isang cp lang then depends na lang sa dami ng kakainin ng animal ang adjustment kaso hindi siya mabilis na lalaki.

Parang tao lang din, kumakain ng karne, gulay kanin etc.. at habang lumalaki yun pa rin naman halos ang kinakain niya nababago lang sa dami.

[doods]

thank you doc....san nmn po kya makakabili ng mga raw materials? ksi sa tindahan d2 sobra ang mahal lugi ako..ung hndi po per tons khit 400 kilos per order meron po bang ganun?

[all]

Feed formulation- square method

THis is used by novice animal  nutritionist as a starting point in the study of feed formulation. You can compute the proper mix of ingredients to attain a certain amount of CP or crude protein.

example.
If you have corn and soya. (CP of certain ingredients sometimes varies depending on the book you have as a reference.)

Assuming Corn has 11% CP while soya 44% CP or crude protein. In a prestarter ration (swine) you need a 21% crude protein mix, so, how many  part of corn and soya should i mix to attain 21% crude protein.




the 23 parts  is attained by subtracting 21 CP with the CP of the soya which is 44.
the 10 parts is attained by subtracting the 21 CP  with the CP of corn which  is 11

33 is attained by adding the 23 parts to 10 parts.

following the formula  we attained 69.7% parts corn and  30.3% parts soya.

So if we want a 50 kg feed with 21% crude protein:
50 kg x 69.7 =3485/100= 34.85 kg corn
50 kg x 30.3%=1515/100=  15.15 kg rice bran
                              total 50 kg of feeds with 21% CP



NOTE: there should be no negative number in the formula. Example if you use soya with a 44 % CP. and your target is 21%CP , 21-44= -23. drop the negative sign. it should be 23 parts only.


***** I have edited the former data because there should be a value that is higher than the desired CP. On the previous example both source of CP are below the desired CP.... Sorry for mistake. I have overlooked the values.... THe principle is still the same as the previous post....

Hi there Doc! with regards po yung sa formulation....do we still need to add some micro ingredients such as premix vit,multi enzymes and other required ingredients? it might take a couple of grams based on what ive heard. ty po!

[nemo]

yes, it is up to you kung maglalagay ka pa ng premix, protein computation lang kasi yan