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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
« on: June 24, 2010, 07:58:08 PM »
Hello Doc,

Thank you for responding. I'm glad you have suggested this. I was considering to have a local shop build an equipment that would process my own feeds recently, but the price for this custom made design is just incredible. I was afraid that if I will invest in this machinery I might not be of much use if in case it does not serve what I need for the processing my feeds. I'm only limiting my capacity to 10 sows & so far, I am satisfied with what I am doing for the time being. I am still exploring the possibilities of making ROI a priority from the these sows which basically was an idea that you have suggested last time.

Anyway, weren't it for your ideas, I wouldn't have much success in my venture.  I will be updating you in the future how things turned out. Thanks again & more power to pinoyagribusiness.com.

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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
« on: June 24, 2010, 05:14:27 AM »
Hello Doc Nemo,

I posted a formula a few months ago located in this site http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/feed_formulation/grower_mash_formulation-t687.0.html;msg9664#msg9664.

You said that I remind you regarding your opinion, but I guess it has probably been overlooked since I haven't heard from you about this. Two of my sows have given birth to very healthy piglets & I intend to move on by applying the said formula, but this time you are suggesting that I cook the formula in order to aid in the digestion?

My question is, should cooking be the only option in lieu of processing it by way of milling, will this not affect the nutrient consistency expedient to the piglet's growth?


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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Feed Supplements:
« on: June 19, 2010, 05:06:36 PM »
Thanks Mikey. Your posts make true & valuable information effective for us. I have learned much from your posts since I am getting the feel of what to do with my hogs. To be honest, I do not have any background in hog raising because I grew up in the city. Ironically, my parent's family are farmers & left us with much to do. I only manage farmers & try to see to it their well being is provided for. So I have provided some livelihood for them so they can likewise take care of my parent's farm. In the past few months, my sows are beginning breed. I did not loose a single stock because of good workers & constant monitoring. But I have to also credit your valuable contribution for me & to everyone's success as well. More power to you & good health to your family.

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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Feeding Program of Yuan.ai.centrum
« on: June 19, 2010, 04:53:17 PM »
Wow, this is probably 79% to 86% cost of feeds. Opo nga Yuan, can you elaborate how we can make money from this?

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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
« on: June 19, 2010, 04:47:47 PM »
Doc, if I can find an efficient miller to to grind my feed ingredients, what would be the ideal sizes so that the pig could be able to effectively & efficiently take advantage of the nutrients available in these? You see Doc, as posted, droppings of my pigs make me doubt that these have not been thoroughly digested & sayang naman kung hindi magagamit nga hayop ang mga available nutrients -di ba po Doc?

Anyway, I am about to consume all my feeds that I harvested for the summer. By mid august or early September, my corn would then be harvested. I am hoping for a good harvest BUT, I have a major problem that often occurs perennially. The wet season's continuous pouring unable us to dry our produce to the desired moisture level for long time storage. Besides, our corn crops become damp where molds & insects compromise the quality  because of the continual downpour.

In relation to this, may you advice, or anyone for this matter, how we can effectively, store our feeds in good condition until the next harvest?

Thank you for your valued suggestion

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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
« on: June 19, 2010, 07:12:35 AM »
You’re right yuan.ai.centrum. I have to look for my files & correct it. Unfortunately, I was not able to follow-up on this formula because I was not so sure if I was going to compromise by experimenting this method. Another is that I have not received any scientific endorsement from anyone who would dare to try out this formula.
My apologies goes to those who asked me to respond to their emails regarding the feed formulation. I have not done so because I was & am still skeptic that this might not work out. I had problems with the way the pigs digested myh formula –for whatever possible reasons, I had to abandon this formula.
Instead, I ventured on experimenting on Doc Nemo’s Feed formulation- Square method. It would be interesting to note that this formula needs to be supplemented with very effective energy boosters & vitamins which are readily available from our veterinary shops. It might be worth to share my experience this summer regarding the 7 sows that I had been developing.
My first among 7 sows just went on heat. The square method that I chose to follow did not bring about the expected weight though, which should fall around 85 kg in 5 months from birth, in lieu of growth feeds readily available. Instead, my sows reached only an average of 76.3 kg in almost 8 months' period with the square method. I feel that this is not so bad because I have noticed that sows increase in weight tremendously after mating. Gestation does an incredible job to the pigs’ natural growth as though it recuperates for the loss it earlier lost, so long as adequate injectable energy boosters are provided.
It is not bad at all because I have consumed only 4 sacks of growth formula to augment the growth redundancy & about 20 sacks of rice bran & yellow corn (bt variety) for all 7 sows. I am happy to tell everyone that with prevailing prices based here on Iloilo I have only spent at more or less, P15, 800.00 in feeds for 7 sows to grow to full maturity which is only  P2,257.14 per sow. A pig averaging 75 kg thereabouts should gross at least P6,000 which, on my observation is not so bad because I only spent 37.6% cost of feeds.
I might experiment on the the feed formulation that I altered based on Doc Nemo’s formulation as soon as I could look for a good miller for my raw ingredients. My first experiment failed because I have noticed that these weren’t digested well based on the pigs’ droppings. But with Doc Nemo’s Nemo’s Feed formulation- Square method, I am now quite confident about the feasibleness of going into serious hog raising. If my gutt feel is right, there in money in hog raising.

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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
« on: October 29, 2009, 06:58:23 AM »
Hello Doc,

Is it safe to say that combining 1 part rice bran and 1 part corn would result to an average of 21% to a maximum of 23.7% Crude Protein? How about the calcium content? What would be a good, safe & cheap source of calcium?

Hope anyone to reply as well.

gunder_3910

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SWINE / Re: Yuan AI Centrum
« on: October 19, 2009, 08:47:38 PM »


Name: Gunder Aragona
Farm's Location: Brgy. Yawyawan, Lemery, Iloilo
Email: gunder_3910@yahoo.com.ph
Contact No.:0906-2259-222
Sow Level you want to start: currently with 2 breeding sows & developing 6 more in a 1 har property

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SWINE / Re: Yuan AI Centrum
« on: October 19, 2009, 05:47:32 AM »
Thanks. In case I would be interested to get serious in the hog business, is it possible that you send me a proposal? I would appreciate a detailed schedule from your end.

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SWINE / Re: Starting a Hog farm or Poultry farm, help pls.
« on: October 19, 2009, 12:07:56 AM »
That is so true... My other business survived because I was able to use rice husk & wood trims for fuel.... Cost cutting is the key to survival; thus, with numbers you're no longer surviving only but thriving.

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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Grower mash formulation
« on: October 17, 2009, 10:48:31 PM »
Ok.. Thanks

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SWINE / Re: Yuan AI Centrum
« on: October 17, 2009, 10:34:51 PM »
Hello. I'm just starting a mini micro pig farm & I am still learning in the past year. So far, I can see a lot of prospects if no problems would arise from my workers and the expected market that I perceive to be viable until Dec 2011. Your costing of P500K Pig Housing: FOR STARTING A PIGGERY BUSINESS, does this include the building construction? If so, do you have any financing terms -say payable in amortized basis? Is it possible for your company to send me a pro forma of your proj proponent?

Thanks

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SWINE / Re: Starting a Hog farm or Poultry farm, help pls.
« on: October 15, 2009, 07:44:52 PM »
That is so sad Mikey. I hope you could be able to get back at it again. I've heard of OFW's coming home with the hope of returning home expecting a lucrative business upon their retirement. Unfortunately, similar stories about heartbreaking goings on back home usually happen. But there's still a bright side. Your barn houses must be double in cost if it were constructed today. One thing good about the high investments in hogs are the fixed assets that continue to appreciate despite the loss in the operation itself. Pump in cash again & u'r back in business. This is how i look at my business if in case this venture flops.

But my biggest concern however is that in hog raising, the feeds that traders sell are out of proportion! Their prices are unbelievably incredible. It's like your feeding pigs with gold! I don't blame any hog raiser to end up broke!  ??? ??? ??? ???If there's anything that should be done is to STOP buying from them and go back to the basic creation of our own feed formula.  >:( >:( >:( >:(I have made more than 10 comparisons & you can reduce the prices of feeds if you grow it from your farm. In this way, hog mash producers should revise their prices. I have already been trying this in the past 11 months with several hogs. My first litter produced 9 healthy piglets.

I guess, if I would look at my investment, if the land has no utang, that in itself is not an absolute loss. Land appreciates & that's where the real pork is. Hogs are just good for cash flow. Para hindi tayo magugutom while waiting for the price of land to appreciate. I've heard of someone developing his 15 har property, pouring in millions of pesos to his hog farm. After 5 years, it went broke. But apparently, he's recovering. He converted it into a subdivision and sells houses instead.

I've posted a mash formula that I have to pursue in the next 3-4 months because these are the only raw materials both my land can produce & what I can buy from the local store at somewhat reasonable prices. Dr. Nemo posted it & I was forced to reinvent it from there. The reason why some ingredients are missing is because local stores no longer sell the raw materials for a long time. They have shifted to premix formula, which WILL NEVER be financially viable. So i renovated it in the hope that I could make some profit. I wish somebody would give sound advises before I complete the purchase of this formula. I'm preparing this formula next week good for 20 hogs.

I just hope it works out with my mini-micro hog farm. You can have a look at it in the topic Feed formula.... or something like that title

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FEED FORMULATION / Re: Grower mash formulation
« on: October 15, 2009, 08:15:32 AM »
Hello Doc,

   I guess I have to just improvise with whatever is available in the market. I did a little cost analyses and have come up with this. I am about to experiment this with 10 piglets as Grower Mash formulation. I'd really appreciate anyone who can comment on this. There is a very big disparity in the price vs. that which is available in the market, whether it is in the form of Premix or outright ready to feed Grower Mash.

   Likewise, I just have to know by February if my piglets reached 85 kilos by then.


Ingredients (kilos)               Weight (kg)   % Constituency   Price per Kilo   Amount
  Corn RRC-2                      394.80             26.32%              11.60           4,579.68
  Rice bran                         389.85             25.99%               4.00           1,559.40
  Copra meal                       345.45            23.03%              16.75           5,786.29
  Processed Sorghum           123.30              8.22%               24.00           2,959.20
  Molasses                          88.80               5.92%               20.00           1,776.00
  Processed Soya beans        73.95               4.93%               32.00           2,366.40
  Ipil ipil                            49.35               3.29%                 5.00             246.75
  Fish meal                         24.60               1.64%                11.00            270.60
  Premix                              4.95               0.33%               750.00          3,712.50
  Salt                                 4.95               0.33%                 20.00             99.00

Total                             1,500.00          100.00%                                 23,355.82
No. of Sacks (50 kg)   30.00         
Cost per 50kg sack   467.12         

Thanks again Doc Nemo

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FEED FORMULATION / The need to know HOW TO PROCESS our produce
« on: October 14, 2009, 07:52:19 PM »
The instant I read your reply awhile ago, everything makes sense already. Thank you Doc Nemo. Now I know exactly what I should be doing & wished that I took up chemical together with mechanical eng'g.

Cost cutting in business is the only solution. I am convinced that should farmers be given the opportunity to be able think of ways of avoiding expenses, the profitability of any agri venture they place themselves into is not difficult to achieve.

I am concerned especially of my plight for the reason that I have about 10 farmers displaced because they chose not to continue with the DAR's program PD 27/RA 6657. They have discovered that they cannot survive in their farms without our help as land owners. The expensive operational cost in managing farms made them run to usurious loan sharks, consequently make them run into a lot of trouble. Some no longer are possessors of their awarded land because their mortgaged land have been foreclosed. Their Emancipation Patents Titles are just mere shits of paper.

Apparently me & some faithful farmers are faced with these dilemmas. With the prevailing prices dropping down to 50%, we cans hardly make ends meet. It is obvious that a 25-35% profit margin is expected. But with a staggering 50% loss, I really do not understand how they could pay up their loans. If there's anything worth doing in this beautiful property, that is we have to be taught/ educated how to process our feeds (instead of buying these at expensive prices) from the land we grow our produce. Thus,our chances of business survival would be more of a thriving venture. I have to admit, unless we could avail of millions of pesos in capitalization, we would never get our farms to become financially viable. Such wonderful place would just remain empty and useless. Loaning money is not an option. Doing so is like signing a death warrant.

Doc, if it is not difficult to do, would there be any chance you can teach us how we could process these so we can come up with reasonable prices with our feeds without compromising the growth of our hogs? Can anyone, suggest what we can do? I really pity my remaining farmworkers because they have been very loyal & industrious people whom my Dad worked with before he passed away.

Thanks


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