Title: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on June 24, 2008, 02:03:19 PM doc, meron po bang deperensya sa fattener ang feeding way na adlib sa restricted? kung meron po ano po ito? meron po akong 12 na bagong walay at gagawin kong fattener.sa ngayong stage na maliliit pa lang ginagawa ko ang adlib. any advice po to maximize ang live weight nito in a shortest feeding month? sa mga nakaranas ng both feeding process, share naman po. thanks!
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on June 25, 2008, 09:11:59 PM Usually if adlibutm the animal grows more uniform.
Genetics , feeds and management should be all okay to be able to hve a good grow out. Choose a feed with a good track record in your area. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on June 26, 2008, 08:03:37 PM thanks doc. sa inahin ba doc 7 days mula pagkawalay you said maglalandi na ito, it means ba pwede na itong pakastahan? if not how many days more to wait bago pwede magpabulog. kase 3 days na na nawalay ang mga biik sa inahin ko im giving vitamins as u prescribe. please help...
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on June 26, 2008, 08:11:50 PM Yup within 7 days it will return to heat and you can now breed it again.
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on July 10, 2008, 07:54:01 PM doc can you advice me ng tamang percentage pagdating sa paghahalo ng darak sa pakain ng fattener at inahin. me nakapagsabi sa kin na pwedeng 50% darak at 50% pure feeds sa inahin at pwedeng maghalo na ng darak sa fattener sa grower stage nila. tama po ba ito?hindi po ba maapektuhan ang timbang nila?
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: Slyfox on July 10, 2008, 08:10:17 PM Usually if adlibutm the animal grows more uniform. Genetics , feeds and management should be all okay to be able to hve a good grow out. Choose a feed with a good track record in your area. problema dito prone sa nakawan ang feeds mo :( Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on July 17, 2008, 07:00:57 PM hi doc. ok lang po ba na magshift from pre-starter feeds to grower feeds ? wala po bang masamang epekto ito sa mga biik? sa ngaun eksaktong 2 months old na ang mga ito. salamat po ulit.
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on July 18, 2008, 09:39:18 PM always follow the recommendation of the feed manufacturer. By changing to grower agad the animal protein needs is not satisfied and it might cause runt / bansot na pigs.
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: jim on July 24, 2008, 03:34:58 PM Hi Doc,
Just want to ask what should be the best feeding program that I could give to my sow to increase her weight. I already inject it vit. ADE and I give with mixed darak and breeder feeds for the last 1 month and I also gave dewormer as well, but as for now I can't see any changes that her body weight increases. :-[ I want to sell it because the litter size of the piglets are not equal and there's no enough milk to produce. Waiting for you're advice. Thank you, Jim Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on July 24, 2008, 09:02:26 PM What we do if we want to bulk up the sows is to give them grower feeds.
The nutrients the animal gets might not be enough if you feed it darak+breeder feeds. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: jim on July 25, 2008, 08:38:11 AM Hi Doc,
Thanks a lot for your advice Jim Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: fathers pride on July 27, 2008, 03:06:39 PM always follow the recommendation of the feed manufacturer. By changing to grower agad the animal protein needs is not satisfied and it might cause runt / bansot na pigs.
doc nemo magtanong lang po kung ok yung di ka na mag shift sa grower. what i mean you grow your piglet up to market by pre starter & starter only? mas maganda daw ang pag laki.tama po ba yun? Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on July 27, 2008, 07:30:37 PM Case to case basis.
If your animal is a fast grower giving them starter feeds is okay. I used to have customers that feed their animal with prestarter and then starter feeds only. You have to also quantify the price of feeds to the growth rate of the animal. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on August 12, 2008, 11:59:58 AM Hello doc, i visited my friend's pig pen. he has 7 fatteners and feeding them chick starter, chick grower to finisher. amazing results that they were bigger than my fatteners which being fed of normal hog feeds.it is then concluded na mas maganda ang epekto ng chick feeds than hogs siguro na rin sa content nito compare sa hog feeds. totoo ba un... nakaencounter ba kau ng direct effect sa weight nito? advice lang po...
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: doncorleone on August 12, 2008, 02:49:53 PM Hello doc, i visited my friend's pig pen. he has 7 fatteners and feeding them chick starter, chick grower to finisher. amazing results that they were bigger than my fatteners which being fed of normal hog feeds.it is then concluded na mas maganda ang epekto ng chick feeds than hogs siguro na rin sa content nito compare sa hog feeds. totoo ba un... nakaencounter ba kau ng direct effect sa weight nito? advice lang po... Bro ano ba ang mas mahal chick feeds o hog feeds? Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on August 12, 2008, 04:58:12 PM chick feeds are more expensive than hogs feeds. depende kung anong stage pero ang pinakamahal is the chick booster and starter - mga P300-500 difference sa hog feeds. i might try to combine chick starter mash + hog starter pellets -- chick grower mash+hog grower pellets... just thinking lang baka magtae ang baboy if hog+chick feeds are combined. doc any comment?
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on August 12, 2008, 07:55:56 PM By mixing different feeds you are then upsetting the balance of the ration. Rather than do it why not look for a more cheaper brand of feeds or you could try to use the less expensive product of the same feed company. Usually they have class 1 / premier, class 2 / regular etc...
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: doods on November 22, 2008, 03:24:05 PM doc,
good day po...doc ang adlib po ba ang pagpapakain ng marami sa alaga,halimbawa nagpapakain ako 3kilo sa aking 10 biik ng prestarter sa loob ng isang araw at ibibigay ko ito ng isang beses lang sa umaga lang adlib po ba ang tawag dito at ok lang po ba kung ganito ang gagawin ko? Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on November 23, 2008, 03:00:58 PM hindi pa rin considered na adlib ito kasi hanggang 3 kilos lang ang pwede nila makain.
pag adlib kasi free access sila sa pagkain hanggat gusto nila kumain bibigyan mo sila. Sa malalaking babuyan meron silang automatik feeder. nkalagay dun ay isang sakong feeds at kapag nagutom ang baboy pupunta lang sila sa pakainan at kakain. ---------------------------- it is not adlib because you restricted their food for 3 kilos. Ad lib means given them food as long as they want , or they have access to food everytime they want to eat. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on November 23, 2008, 09:42:42 PM sa adlib doc nasabi nyo na ang benefits lang nito compare sa restricted feeding ay ang pagkakapareho ng ng sizes ng fattener at hindi pagaagawan sa oras ng pagkain. i mean pigs are pigs they will eat and eat and just excrete it. so mas maraming makokonsumo ito compare sa restricted. so if there's no huge difference in live weight results then it is better to use restricted feeding... just a thought.
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on November 24, 2008, 08:26:23 PM Actually it is a misconception that pig just eat and eat then secrete. They will only eat what their body needs. Once they have satisfy that need they will stop to eat.
We assume that they do nothing but eat because the only time we visit them is when it is feeding time... ;D ;D ;D and this is not a good practice, we should visit the animal atleast every 3 hours( 6 am , 9 am, 12 nn, 3 pm, 6 pm) and spend there for not less than 10 minutes per visit, this is per my opinion only. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on November 24, 2008, 11:51:40 PM i am attending to my piggery almost half of my day :) :) :) kaso doc following feed recomendations eg: starter =1kg, grower=2kg, finisher=3kg per head and using adlib and they can actually consume more. and i said wait a minute i think i should pour water na lang feed them 3 times a day. and it made me think twice when u say there's no difference much in live weight at the end but only the feed expenses being consumed... hay :o
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on November 25, 2008, 11:40:50 PM Yup, welcome to the intricacy of swine raising!!! Akala nang iba madali lang pero there are times na medyo nakakahilo.
Other advantage nalang ng ad lib is that when your pig are uniform in size you will have a uniform bracket in terms of pricing. Some biyahero have different pricing depending on the size of the animal. Example: if the animal is 75 kg below the price is 70 pesos, if it is 85-86 it is around 72 pesos, etc... In essence naman both ad lib and restricted are okay to use it will depend nalang tlaga sa situation. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: BUDS on November 26, 2008, 06:01:54 PM hindi pa rin considered na adlib ito kasi hanggang 3 kilos lang ang pwede nila makain. doc...pag adlib kasi free access sila sa pagkain hanggat gusto nila kumain bibigyan mo sila. Sa malalaking babuyan meron silang automatik feeder. nkalagay dun ay isang sakong feeds at kapag nagutom ang baboy pupunta lang sila sa pakainan at kakain. ---------------------------- it is not adlib because you restricted their food for 3 kilos. Ad lib means given them food as long as they want , or they have access to food everytime they want to eat. confusel lang po....pag ad lib po ibig sabihin hahayaan lang na kumain ang baboy hanggang sa masatisfy ito yun po ang ibig sabihin nito tama po ba?when it comes naman po sa nag-aalaga di naman po kaya lugi pagdating sa sa feed cunsumption kasi hahayaang mo lang kumain ang baboy hanggat gusto nila di po ba?and most important doc yung araw panahon na sinusunod mo doon sa feeding program na binigay sa'yo ng feeds company pano po pagnakunsumo na nila yung ilang sako na feeds na dapat hindi pa,oorder nanaman po ba muli?or simple jump to next stage of feeding kahit na wala pa sa panahon at edad ang baboy?thank you po doc... Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on November 26, 2008, 08:07:17 PM Usually in adlib there is a special feeder on which you can put the feed and the animal will just hit the feeder so feeds will be dispense.
In terms of feeds consumption so far ala naman akong nakilala na nagreklamo na nalugi sila kasi kain ng kain yun baboy. Pagnaconsume na nila yung recommended na dami ng feeds as a group next stage na ng feeding. Ex. if assuming 1 pig needs 60 kgs of grower feed. if you have 10 pigs then they will eat as a group around 600 kgs or 12 bags. once naubos na yan shift na to finisher regardless of age and weight. Some farm naman ang feeding program is based on months. 1 month starter feed, 1 and 1/2 month grower feeds and 2 weeks of finisher feeds. Whether lagpas sila ng sa recommended or not they will shift according to the number of days na kumakain ang baboy ng particular na feeds. ---------------- trans Usually in adlib there is a special feeder on which you can put the feed and the animal will just hit the feeder so feeds will be dispense. In terms of feeds consumption so far i have never met a person that is suffered losses because of this system of feeding. Usually if the animal already consumed the recommended feed allowance then they will shift to the next stage. Ex. if assuming 1 pig needs 60 kgs of grower feed. if you have 10 pigs then they will eat as a group around 600 kgs or 12 bags. once the animal consumed all this you will shift to the next feed. Some farm based their feeding program on months/days. 1 month starter feed, 1 and 1/2 month grower feeds and 2 weeks of finisher feeds. Whether they consume or not the recommended feed allowance they will shift according to the number of days. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on November 27, 2008, 09:26:01 PM sa normal program doc.. di naman sinasabi kung anong ways ang gagamitin Adlib or restricted. so normal po 500g=Prestarter 28days, 1kg=starter 30days, 2kg=grower 30days, 3kg= finisher 14days. now my question doc is, if we use feeder definitely mas maaga nilang mauubos ang group kgs ng feeds sa given time table. so in adlib masisira ang given feed intake daily sa timetable. ok lang po ba na magshift ng maaga kahit ang recommended ng feeds ko ay 30 days dapat? second) if that happens na naubos nila ng mas maaga ang feeds sa suppose timetable, mas maaga ko rin dapat ibenta ang mga fatteners as long as naubos na nila ang last stage FINISHER feeds kahit a month akong behind sa time table? is this making sense doc, wat do u think doc?
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on November 27, 2008, 10:34:48 PM I get your point.
Yes you can shift already once you have consumed the total feed needed for that stage. You can sell it early if the animal consumed already all the recommended feed intake. Idea lang, kapag mabilis lumaki ang baboy at pataas ang presyo ng baboy pwede ka pang magextend ng days ng pakain kasi malamang tutubo ka pa. But if price ng pig ay low at naubos na yun feeds, sell it nalang. kung hindi naman siya mabigat at pabagsak ang presyo ng baboy sell it. Kasi kahit pakainin mo pa siya kung talagang bansutin siya mahihirapan na silang lumaki. Kung pataas naman ang presyo ng baboy at magaan sila pwede ka pang sumugal na pakainin ang baboy kahit nareach na niya yun recommended dami ng feeds na kakainin. ---------------- Yes you can shift already once you have consumed the total feed needed for that stage. You can sell it early if the animal consumed already all the recommended feed intake. Just an idea, if the animal is fast grower and the price of pigs is going up you can extend the feeding days because it possible that you could earn more. But if price of pig is low and the animal already consumed all the allocated feed, then sell it nalang. If the weight of the animal is not that good and the price of pig is going down and it already consumed the allocated feeds, then sell it already. If the weight of the animal is not that good but the price of pig is going up, you could still continue feeding it even it have already consumed its allocated feed. In this situation you are hoping that the animal could gain enough weight to earn extra from it. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on November 28, 2008, 07:00:27 PM so it means po ba na timetable is not that important. all matters is the feed intake being consumed. kase po kaya ko nasabi na mas magastos ang adlib kase mas maaga nilang nauubos ang given feed intake versus sa complete days given. for example sa starter feeds - 30 days dapat, kaso nauubos na nila ang feeds sa 20th day pa lang, so bibili pa ulit ako ng another sako ng starter hanggang umabot ng 30th day kaya gumastos po ako ng todo. so it means mali ang way ko interms of ADLIB?
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on November 28, 2008, 07:51:27 PM Actually, the feed intake of the animal is usually based sa weight niya.
Shifting of feeds is based on their weight. But because it is stressful to the animal that they are always being weighed then we just assume that if he already consumed this total amount of feeds his/her weight is at par with the recommended weight. It is not really wrong, some farm give adlibutum based on months and not feed intake. It will all depend on the farm performance. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: johntrix on November 28, 2008, 08:58:39 PM wow really a big money needed huh... hehehe. or perhaps just give adlib sa pre-starter & starter stage. dito kase kokonti pa silang kumain and restricted to grower & finisher stage. im sure lots of farms do this too di ba doc?
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: BUDS on November 29, 2008, 01:21:03 PM Usually in adlib there is a special feeder on which you can put the feed and the animal will just hit the feeder so feeds will be dispense. doc,ibig nyo po bang sabihin kung ang baboy ko pinapakain ko ng 5 bags ng prestarter sa loob ng 25 days at naconsume na nila agad ito within 2weeks pwede na akong lumipat sa starterstage kahit wala pa sa panahon,timbang at edad ang baboy tama po ba?ibig sabihin nito doc madali rin maibebenta ang baboy tama po ba?by the way doc may picture po ba kayo nung automatic feeder and may idea po ba kayo kung magkano ito?thank you po doc ang more power.... In terms of feeds consumption so far ala naman akong nakilala na nagreklamo na nalugi sila kasi kain ng kain yun baboy. Pagnaconsume na nila yung recommended na dami ng feeds as a group next stage na ng feeding. Ex. if assuming 1 pig needs 60 kgs of grower feed. if you have 10 pigs then they will eat as a group around 600 kgs or 12 bags. once naubos na yan shift na to finisher regardless of age and weight. Some farm naman ang feeding program is based on months. 1 month starter feed, 1 and 1/2 month grower feeds and 2 weeks of finisher feeds. Whether lagpas sila ng sa recommended or not they will shift according to the number of days na kumakain ang baboy ng particular na feeds. ---------------- trans Usually in adlib there is a special feeder on which you can put the feed and the animal will just hit the feeder so feeds will be dispense. In terms of feeds consumption so far i have never met a person that is suffered losses because of this system of feeding. Usually if the animal already consumed the recommended feed allowance then they will shift to the next stage. Ex. if assuming 1 pig needs 60 kgs of grower feed. if you have 10 pigs then they will eat as a group around 600 kgs or 12 bags. once the animal consumed all this you will shift to the next feed. Some farm based their feeding program on months/days. 1 month starter feed, 1 and 1/2 month grower feeds and 2 weeks of finisher feeds. Whether they consume or not the recommended feed allowance they will shift according to the number of days. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on November 30, 2008, 01:19:15 AM Yup , they do this so they can have an idea about the feed consumption and their costing.
Kung naubos na kasi nila yun recommended feeds tentatively they should be at a proper weight na para magshift. If not then your animal could be a slow grower and by extending your feeding you are increasing your cost to produce. In terms of mabenta agad this is still a question of weight. If they weigh above 85 na then sell it. If not then you need to extend your finisher feeding. Whether based on months or per bags this is the decision that a farm owner would make, they are options taht you could look into. When i was still in a feed company we follow the per consumption/per bag . If the animal is fast grower we extend the starter feeding. automatic feeder (http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/gallery.html;sa=view;id=71) maybe 5 -8 thousand, not sure na eh, Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: BUDS on December 03, 2008, 05:38:36 PM Yup , they do this so they can have an idea about the feed consumption and their costing. doc,ito po ba yung katulad ng feeddispenser na kapag na hit nila eh lalabas yung pagkain katulad ng sinasabi nyo?electric po ba sya o battery operated?thank you po doc....Kung naubos na kasi nila yun recommended feeds tentatively they should be at a proper weight na para magshift. If not then your animal could be a slow grower and by extending your feeding you are increasing your cost to produce. In terms of mabenta agad this is still a question of weight. If they weigh above 85 na then sell it. If not then you need to extend your finisher feeding. Whether based on months or per bags this is the decision that a farm owner would make, they are options taht you could look into. When i was still in a feed company we follow the per consumption/per bag . If the animal is fast grower we extend the starter feeding. automatic feeder (http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/gallery.html;sa=view;id=71) maybe 5 -8 thousand, not sure na eh, Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: BUDS on December 03, 2008, 06:01:21 PM doc...and when it comes naman po doon sa feeder wala naman po bang nasasayang na pagkain?i mean kapag nabored ang baboy nagiging playful sila may tendency po na paglaruan nila yung feeder at pag may lumabas na feeds baka paglaruan nila ito kung di lang naman kakainin...ang akin doc yung aksaya na tinatawag....
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: rain on December 23, 2008, 01:50:20 PM doc.
good day po sa kanila at mabuhay po kayo...doc matanung ko lang po kasi ang balak ko po kasi gamitin tong adlib procedure(open feeder) na to sa aking mga biik kasi nasabi nyo po dito na lumalaki ang mga baboy in uniform sizes it means na parepareho ang kanilang timbang at walang pinipiling oras kung kailan sila kakain at any amount hindi limited tama po ba?kaya lang doc may nakapagsabi rin sa akin na kapag ganito naman daw hindi mo makikita kung sino yung malakas kumain o hindi at isa pa hindi mo rin malalaman kung sino may sakit o wala tama po ba? kung ganito ang case paano ko po ba malalaman kung may sakit ang baboy ko or may diperensya ang isa sa kanila kung adlib ang gagamitin ko?thank you po doc and mabuhay po kayo.... Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on December 23, 2008, 02:13:02 PM Buds, the feeder dispense feeds by the help of gravity and natural rooting behavior of the animal.
The pig will hit a lever and in turn will agitate the feeder and by gravity the feeds will go the bowl. Wastage, feeds will not overflow beyond the feeder. So maiiwan lang siya sa bowl at kakainin ng kasunod na baboy. Rain, you can look at the pigs eye,temperature, belly/breathing, and activity. Usually sick pig have red eye, high temperature, heavy breathing, and idle. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: ganang_kain on January 07, 2009, 01:48:45 PM doc, meron po akong nakitang mga feeder gawa sa semento, parang funnel type, pinasadya po, palagay ko mas mura siya kaysa bumili ng cone type, notice ko lang po na wala ng cover ang catch niya sa baba, ok lang po ba ito? meron kasi ako nakita na may cover para di langawin ang feeds. if compare ko naman sa nabibiling cone type autofeeder ay wala din po itong protection sa langaw.
any comment po... Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on January 08, 2009, 08:17:44 PM Yes it is okay to use.
Para makamura they just make their own feeder made of concrete. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: sanico on January 08, 2009, 08:46:26 PM Doc, meron ka bang plano o design ng concrete feeder na ito? Puede ba humingi ng copy? Thanks.
Yes it is okay to use. Para makamura they just make their own feeder made of concrete. Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on January 08, 2009, 08:56:08 PM I don't have eh.
Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: ganang_kain on January 09, 2009, 08:58:39 AM thanks doc,
meron pong pic ng concrete auto feeder sa link below, wala lang po siyang sukat but at least makakuha kayo ng idea. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/hoghobby/files/Housing%20and%20Equipment/ sana po makatulong :) Title: Re: RESTRICTED vs. AD LIBITUM FEEDING. Any difference? Post by: nemo on January 09, 2009, 09:50:27 PM (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/rodeorodeo/auotmatikfeeder.jpg)
I found this in my old hard drive. |