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Hi doc do you have a list of the hog prices for live weight and dead weight?That info would help alot of us..thankx

Hello, hog prices would always vary weekly and depending on an area.

If liveweight in farm is around 80-86, backyard is around 70-75 at this time.

Usually deadweight is around 95-105 pesos.

Boy,some of you guys are lucky,I realize we are remote but the prices we are getting is really wrong,maybe getting taken it from the in-laws,maybe they pocket the difference??going to have to check into this more.
Good Farming Boys                     mikey

If you're area is  remote there are some biyahero's that will offer low price because they will compensate for the transportation.

Doc, just another day and a life of a struggling hog farmer.
Thanks       mikey

Yup, life is a constant struggle.

Hi doc you have anyway to find out what the prices of pork are there day by day or by the week?in each province?

I have emailed one government agency. Lets wait and see if they can provide us. 

What i found is market price but not liveweight price.

thankx slyfox you have a web link to get the current prices?

nope. this is hog federation report weekly tru sms

Thank you for the info slyfox.

This are farm gate price backyard price are 5-10 pesos lower.

your welcome . dapat pantay na ang price ng backyard sa big farm. 20 to 25% lang PO ang commercial farm  sa pinas the rest BACKYARD RAISER na
 

Supply and demand plus geography plays a big role in this situation.

i think we play the major role in hog price. kapag bumaba ang presyo kanya kanya tayo pa bilisan ng bagsak ng presyo hindi mo masisi ang buyer. what if all of hog raiser will have a standard price or ceiling price (high/low) para may guide tayo in selling.

That would be a double edge sword.

To be able to do that atleast 50% of your municipality should participate to be able to get hold on to the supply side.

The next best thing to do is to organize your barangay to select one biyahero to buy your produce at a farm price. In return your baranggay will only sell to him.

Bro, do you get the above info via SMS?  Can you tell us how?

taga saan po kayo bro?  member ka ba ng isang hog association/cooperative sa area ninyo?

Another problem,no standard price system,different prices for different areas,never seen nothing like it.
mikey

I am in Bataan.  Privado lang na farmer, no affiliation with any cooperative or association.l

inter island po ang pilipinas.kaya po nag iiba iba ang price dahil meron po shipping cost. only in the philippines.




kung wala ka ma join dyan. dont worry im here to post naman weekly. what's your farm gate price for this week?  :-)

Haven't sold for the past week.  Sa end of November pa simula ko.  I heard around ang presyo ay average 85/kg.

price right now is going up baka next week 90 na dyan sa inyo bro :)

I hope so bro.  I've been reading your post on the other thread about mixing feeds.  I may have to engage in formulating my own as well.  A 2nd hand 5 bagger mixer is being offered at a bargain price of 25k.  I intend to buy it and do some trials.

Sir genie am I onto something make the feeds is the key dont realy on others the feed dealers make more then the growers.

madali lang po mag gawa ng 25 kilo mixer or buy brand new cement mixer (bago ha). paki translate na lang kay mr hog hehehehehehehehe nauubusan ako ng english :-)

huh?

@mr hog

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Slyfox,
Bro, I mean, a second hand mixer capable of mixing 5 bags is offered for 25thousand Pesos.  Is that cheap enough?  Kasama na makina doon.  I intend to take a picture of the mixer and post it here.

micro mixer po ba?

I sold on Dec 4, 13 heads at 87Pesos/kg.   7 went to Olongapo City, 6 went to Balanga City.

Nice price. Hope it would go until April

Nice price makes me think to send my hogs to far away places to sell.

sana nga   :)

Your weekly updates are very much appricated even half way around the world.  Thanks and please keep up the good work!

Sold some at 88/kg yesterday.   Bataan area.

wow prices are going up

Looks like supply is getting scarce or just because of bigger demand.  Bidders price is now 90/kg. 

Hi doc how would a person ship hogs from davao to high end markets in manila?Would if be worth the trouble?

I think it is not worth it, you need to get a permit to transport live animals and then you need to pay for the shipment,  then land transportation pa.

Ok doc thankx

that what we here are doing but you need 90 hds for 1 hog van. the more hds you ship the lesser the cost

Sir Slyfox,

Do you it in a regular basis?

Hindi ba problem ang mga government men? Medyo yun mga under the tables?

wala naman problema sa hog farmer. i dont know sa viajero side naman kasi once nilabas na nila ang baboy sa farm cargo na ng viajero lahat ang expenses pati dead pig sa truck it's there loss already. Gensan (including tacurong, uppervalley n cotabato) sell 45 to 50,000 hds a month to visayas and luzon. all are ship out

hey slyfox say that again please?

there's no problem shipping hog from gensan to any part of the country.its already 50 years old trading . 45 to 50,000 hds a month is based on gov't statistics. this including backyard and commercial farm.by the way gensan is second biggest hog producer in the country the 1st one is bulacan ,manila

someday we will be the biggest in davao area hehe

I thought you do it end to end, from your farm to you customer in other parts of the country.

Thanks for the info.

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We looked into shipping up north but the catch is on credit only,one has to wait to be paid,we like to work on cash only.Some people at our place shipped to Manila by credit,2 months later they were still waiting to get paid.Shipping any livestock some distance,one has to accept shipping losses,what is your shipping loss %,do you buy insurance for shipping losses??Who pays for the losses??My sister in law and her husband ship rice from the Visayas to Manila.
mikey region #7

Some biyaheros/middle man will ask for credit. Usually their customer in the market will also ask them some credit terms.

I remember my boss saying that in big supermarket they would ask for a very long credit because of the bulk order.

I don't no in the shipping aspect but in luzon if an animal die while in the way to the abattoir sometimes the abbattoir will not accept it. It is considered as double dead.  So, what the biyahero's will do is to take it to their stall and process it as tocino, longanisa etc.

Shipping loss also include animal that get loose. It jump over the vehicle and run away.

Doc some really get loose?

Yup, especially if the truck is too small and the animal is over crowded.  They use the back of the other pigs as their spring board and jump over the truck.

Doc, that may work if one has no debts to pay,set up one of the operations will feed credit.The store expects to be paid as soon as the hogs are sold,that is our agreement,just paid them last week a 5 figure sum.I have seen trucks loaded down in the Philippines with sugar cane.
Happy New Doc.
mikey Region # 7

middleman/viajero earned 7 to 10 pesos net. i also tried shipping  hog to manila . huwag lang masyado mapaniwala sa bola ng mga middleman/viajero . careful careful on credit system. maraming viajero/middleman on running condition they will not pay you at the end of the day.hindi ba ninyo na pansin na mas mayaman na ang buyer ng baboy compare sa hog owner and mas matapang pa ang buyer kaysa hog owner. kung hindi ka bababa ng presyo they gonna import pork meat and they will use your money to buy kaya huwag mag pa utang talaga.


Department Stores term (SM ,Macro ,Robinson and etc...)  7 to 45 days , Processors term 30 to 45 days (Pampro ,Pampi ,monterey , purefoods, sunpride and etc....)   pero sure buyer ito . never sell hog to viajero/middleman on 7to 15 days term they will just gonna use your money  :(   on there other business

SOme part of bulacan biyahero's will ask a 2 weeks credit but in return they will pay additional 2-3 pesos per kilo.

Just be sure that you are dealing with a biyahero with a good reputation and also meat processor.
There are still cash buyers but they are a handful now a days.

In my previous work  it took maybe 2-3 months before this certain meat processor in pampanga pay our customers.

Boys,you guys are a wealth of information.We need cash as to pay off our feed credit,a agreement is a agreement, a legal binding contract.Our arrangement is a test case and may open the way for others.
Happy New Years boys and the very best in your farming ventures for the future.
mikey Region#7 independant

Salamat po sa pagpost ng hog prices for this week.  Medyo mura pala ang bilihan dito sa Gensan, bago pa lang po ako nag-aalaga ng swine.

Brod, dito sa amin sa Bataan, kung ang live weight ng ordinary harvest is 90pesos/kg ang inahin na cull ay 60p/kg ang kalakaran. 

price in luzon is going going up because of mindanao cannot ship live hog to luzon. mag 3 weeks na po wala kaming benta dito :( . according to solid shipping  ang problema daw is DENR and coast guard.



to does luzon hog raiser these is your change to increase hog price to 100 pesos. 

hey slyfox can we send frozen pork?

70 to 80% of filipino people like to eat fresh slaugther meat

why is davao del sur allways so low?

Are there no good roads in davao del sur?  I'm reading about davao del sur in wikipedia and it states that the population of davao del sur is 8th largest.

Unless corn is very cheap in your area then price of hogs would be justified.

sir how about LW price of baguio or manila?

Manila sometimes 2 -5 pesos higher than bulacan price.

i dont have an idea for baguio

sir yan na po ba ang farm gate ngayon sa pag market ng mga fattener?

yes farm gate price

Hi Slyfox,
Kung hindi kayo makapenetrate ang gensan ng pork bound to manila, syempre mas marami supply ng baboy dito sa Gensan. BAkit kaya tumataas din ang presyo ng gensan kahit maraming supply?

na normalize na po last week pa hindi mo ba nakita sa ABS-CBN ang coverage ng gensan group talking with director yap.WE should thank Solid shipping lines for not shipping gensan hog to manila for 2 weeks. Ayan tumaas kaagad ang presyo natin. without gensan hog ewan ko na lang what well happen to our country. dito lang ninyo malalaman kung gaano kalaki ang Gensan Hog industry. Taga polomolok ka man din bro diba hindi mo ba na pansin halos lahat ng feedmiller and contract grower nandito na sa gensan. Bakit kaya? hmmmmmmmmmm
 

I just wish I could understand tagalog!!then I would now what you guys are talking about

Hi Slyfox,

If Gensan cannot penetrate pork bound to manila, ofcourse the supply here in gensan will increase. if there's an increase in supply in gensan why the price of pork in gensan is also increase?




It normalizes last week. Didn't you see on the news of ABS-CBN, the gensan group are talking with Director Yap? We should thank Solid shipping lines for not shipping Gensan hog to Manila for 2 weeks, and because of that the price of pork increase in a blink of an eye. Here you will know how big Gensan in terms of Hog industry. You are also in plomolok, am i right? And didn't you notice almost all of feedmiller and contract grower are here in gensan? Why is it? hmmmmmmm

Mr Hog,Remember last week I was telling you about a hog shortage in Manila??Well down south where you are on that big island,they stopped shipping hogs to Manila,which caused a shortage and are driving up prices.Maybe good in the short term but if you upset the consumer,the consumer will just switch to another form of meat and there is no shortage of hogs in countries like China and Korea which produce alot of hogs and are always looking for new markets.If you study what the Slyfox posts for prices every week,one will start to notice that on some of the islands the prices never change week to week and month to month.Once the price of any food stuff is too expensive for the consumer to buy,the consumer will just buy something else.The white hog in the Philippines does not taste like the white hogs here.We have people showing up at our farm looking for the native hog because they do not like the taste of the white hog meat,a good business person who may see an opportunity would consider raising some natives just to supply the local markerplace.Back to basics,its your production cost(s) that will be the main factor,if you can make money or will you loose money.The customer is always king,if you upset the customer,the customer will just buy something else.My sister in law in Manila is telling us that there are more foreigners setting up farms there,the more of them setting up farms and producing livestock, the less need for livestock coming from down south.
Back to supply and demand,right now,supply and demand are steady but once there becomes an oversupply and lower demand,all hog producers better pray for a miracle.Think about it,everyday there are new people setting up some sort of hog operation,its a numbers game,at some point in the economy,things start to crash,we have seen this happen here in N.America.Once the feed becomes too expensive for most producers,the strongest ones will always survive and grown while the little guy will get eaten up by the big guy.You know what I am talking about.
Good Farming To You:
mikey

do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog? im in the hog bizniz for 14 years and i know what filipino pipol like to taste hindi lang po native pig dyan ka nagkamali their a secret formula for that hehehehehehe .ito ang tanong ko  sa iyo  how much is chicken ? fish? beef? and vege? today hmmmmmmmmmm kaya tumaas ang PRICE its because of HIGH PRODUCTION COST.kaya lang bumababa ang presyo natin its because of pork importation.big processors want to import so that they can earn huge profit. do you know why some part of the country doesn't change their price? its because  @@@@@@@      do your homework first
 


alam mo ba kung ano mangyayari sa luzon in the next few year?  bakit lahat ng processors going SOUTH ?  lahat ng feedmill going to south also? kailangan pa ba i memorize yan hehehehehehehehehe

 ??? ??? ??? hindi ko yata ma gets ang ibig mo sabihin slyfox, pwede ba paki detalye? ;D

ano hindi mo maintindihan pre? isa isahin natin :)

Some reason why farms migrate to the south:

1. Cheap labor.
2. Cheap feed ingredients.
3. less disease.
4. FMD free.
5. Not that saturated.

Slyfox,you lost me in translation.My wife from region 7,not sure what you are saying.If you could type in english,I might be able to understand what you wrote.
Thanks;
mikey Region 7 Independant

Doc,the Visayas is a agri. region,farming,where there is corn ,there is farming.Cattle sold for 20,000 is worth 60,000 in Manila.We are not the ones getting rich,here in Negros Oriental.We just produce for the big cities.FMD free is a bonus,but stops us from buying and shipping breeding stock from the north.There are more and more farms going up all the time,big farms.The Corporate Farm,big business.Interesting times ahead.
Good Day: mikey

do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog?  = BAkit po ba hindi gusto ng mga pinoy ang puting baboy    ???

their a secret formula for that = Ano po ba ang secret formula   ???

do you know why some part of the country doesn't change their price? = Bakit nga po ba    ???

bakit lahat ng processors going SOUTH ?  lahat ng feedmill going to south also? = Ito lang po yata ang alam kong sagot. Kaya po siguro papuntang South ang mga processor at feedmill ay sa dahilang wala masyado sakit dito at pollution. At kayo na din nagsabi na pangalawa na ang gensan interms sa swine industry.

Iam always lost in transition

do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog?  = BAkit po ba hindi gusto ng mga pinoy ang puting baboy    ??? 

dahil sa lean na ang karne kaya ayaw na ng pinoy kumain ng commercial pig. SINO naman ang may gusto ng LEAN meat hindi po ba tayo din mga pinoy hehehehehehehe ayaw ng matabang baboy na galing sa commercial farm pero ang lakas naman kumain ng native pig and WE ARE THE BIGGEST IMPORTER OF FAT (hotdog) and skin. alam ko kung ano gusto ng mga consumer ko


their a secret formula for that = Ano po ba ang secret formula   ???


do you know why some part of the country doesn't change their price? = Bakit nga po ba    ???



bakit lahat ng processors going SOUTH ?  lahat ng feedmill going to south also? = Ito lang po yata ang alam kong sagot. Kaya po siguro papuntang South ang mga processor at feedmill ay sa dahilang wala masyado sakit dito at pollution. At kayo na din nagsabi na pangalawa na ang gensan in terms sa swine industry.


isang point na yan bro. matagal na po 2nd largest hog industry ang gensan bro.


ikaw na lang bro mag research sa ibang question



Businessman  O  piggeryboy  ? pili lang po :)

never mind I give up ??? ??? ???

help kindly translate it for mickey tnx  :)



 

 

do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog?  = BAkit po ba hindi gusto ng mga pinoy ang puting baboy    ???

dahil sa lean na ang karne kaya ayaw na ng pinoy kumain ng commercial pig. SINO naman ang may gusto ng LEAN meat hindi po ba tayo din mga pinoy hehehehehehehe ayaw ng matabang baboy na galing sa commercial farn pero ang lakas naman kumain ng native pig at WE ARE THE BIGGEST IMPORTER OF FAT (hotdog) and skin. alam ko kung ano gusto ng mga consumer ko.

Hindi ko pa din magets kasi po parang contadicting ang sinasabi nyo. AYAW NA NG PINOY KUMAIN NG PUTING BABOY DAHIL LEAN MEAT PERO PINOY DIN ANG MAY GUSTO NG LEAN MEAT. AYAW KUMAIN NG COMMERCIAL PIG PERO MALAKAS KUMAIN NG NATIVE. Ang ibig nyo po ba sabihin ay kelangan may LAHI NG NATIVE ang aalagaan nating baboy? Mas maganda po sana paki share naman po kasi mas meron po kayo experience kaysa sa amin.


their a secret formula for that = Ano po ba ang secret formula   ???

TALAGA PO BANG SECRET ITO?

do you know why some part of the country doesn't change their price? = Bakit nga po ba    ???

tayo mga pinoy lagi nagcocomplain sa taba ng commercial hog before. kaya ang ginawa ng mga commercial raiser pina lean nila ang baboy ngayon nag lean na ayaw naman ng pinoy  kumain dahil hindi na tender and juicy. ironic talaga.

hindi po native pig ang aalagain mo. meron formula(secret) dyan para sa mga purebreed and highbreed pig na ma retain ang tender and juicy ng baboy.


good luck

OT:

we(gensan) cattle raiser import cattle from other country not from luzon. our price here if im not mistaken 50 to 60k a cattle.

I thought this thread was for price per kg?

Mr Hog,you are right.I am not sure what some have written.I sort of guess some are asking about what I said about the white hog.Friends who have eaten the white hog in the Philippines,told us that there is a difference in the taste of the white hog in the Phils and in Canada.As for the native hog,there are people who wish to buy one,maybe they like the taste,most likely its the price.Native hogs are fatty.There is a small local demand for native hog in this area,not many natives around anymore,farmers have switched to the whites.This is what I was talking about.
Good Farming:
mikey Region 7 Independant

now you know it's in the fat. my white pig taste the same with native pig :)  maybe you feed your pig lots of urea kaya pala pangit ang lasa ng baboy



fyi  native pig are very expensive now a day than commercial pig.

Quote from: Slyfox on February 05, 2008, 07:35:17 PM
do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog? im in the hog bizniz for 14 years and i know what filipino pipol like to taste hindi lang po native pig dyan ka nagkamali their a secret formula for that hehehehehehe .ito ang tanong ko  sa iyo  how much is chicken ? fish? beef? and vege? today hmmmmmmmmmm kaya tumaas ang PRICE its because of HIGH PRODUCTION COST.kaya lang bumababa ang presyo natin its because of pork importation.big processors want to import so that they can earn huge profit. do you know why some part of the country doesn't change their price? its because  @@@@@@@      do your homework first
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rough translation:
do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog? im in the hog bizniz for 14 years and i know what filipino pipol like to taste it's not only the native pig, their is a secret formula for that. This is my question for you, how much is chicken , fish, beef and vege today? Prices are going high becaus of high cost of production. The only reason that prices goes down is because of pork importation, Big processors want to import so that they can earn huge profit. Do you know why some part of the country doesn't change their price? its because @@@@@@ do your homework first.



doncorleone answered:

do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog? = BAkit po ba hindi gusto ng mga pinoy ang puting baboy   

trans= why do pinoy don't like white hogs?

their a secret formula for that = Ano po ba ang secret formula   
trans=what is the secret formula.

do you know why some part of the country doesn't change their price? = Bakit nga po ba    
trans=Why is it?

bakit lahat ng processors going SOUTH ?  lahat ng feedmill going to south also? = Ito lang po yata ang alam kong sagot. Kaya po siguro papuntang South ang mga processor at feedmill ay sa dahilang wala masyado sakit dito at pollution. At kayo na din nagsabi na pangalawa na ang gensan interms sa swine industry.

trans= Why is all processors going to SOUTH?  why all feedmill going to south also? =i think this is the only one i can answer. The reason why they go to south, the processor and feedmill is because there is less diseae and pollution there. And as you have said gensan is 2nd in terms of swine industry.

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Slyfox answered:
do you know why filipino pipol dont like the taste of white hog?=why do pinoy don't like white hogs

dahil sa lean na ang karne kaya ayaw na ng pinoy kumain ng commercial pig. SINO naman ang may gusto ng LEAN meat hindi po ba tayo din mga pinoy hehehehehehehe ayaw ng matabang baboy na galing sa commercial farn pero ang lakas naman kumain ng native pig at WE ARE THE BIGGEST IMPORTER OF FAT (hotdog) and skin. alam ko kung ano gusto ng mga consumer ko.

trans= because that pork meat is now lean that pinoy doesnot like to eat commercial pig. Who do want to eat lean meat isn't it also the pinoy. hehehehe. we don't want fatty pigs from commercial farm but we have gusto to eat native pig. WE ARE THE BIGGEST IMPORTER OF FAT (hotdog) and skin. I know what my consumer want.

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doncorleone answered:

Hindi ko pa din magets kasi po parang contadicting ang sinasabi nyo. AYAW NA NG PINOY KUMAIN NG PUTING BABOY DAHIL LEAN MEAT PERO PINOY DIN ANG MAY GUSTO NG LEAN MEAT. AYAW KUMAIN NG COMMERCIAL PIG PERO MALAKAS KUMAIN NG NATIVE. Ang ibig nyo po ba sabihin ay kelangan may LAHI NG NATIVE ang aalagaan nating baboy? Mas maganda po sana paki share naman po kasi mas meron po kayo experience kaysa sa amin.

trans: I'm confused, what you said is contradicting. PINOY DON'T WANT TO EAT WHITE HOGS BECAUSE THEY ARE LEAN AND ALSO PINOY WANTS LEAN MEAT? DON'T LIKE TO EAT COMMERCIAL PIG BUT EATS HEAVILY OF NATIVE. Do you mean that our hogs should have a lineage of native? Would you like to share it more for you have more experience compared to us?

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slyfox answered:

tayo mga pinoy lagi nagcocomplain sa taba ng commercial hog before. kaya ang ginawa ng mga commercial raiser pina lean nila ang baboy ngayon nag lean na ayaw naman ng pinoy  kumain dahil hindi na tender and juicy. ironic talaga.

hindi po native pig ang aalagain mo. meron formula(secret) dyan para sa mga purebreed and highbreed pig na ma retain ang tender and juicy ng baboy.

trans:  before, we pinoy always complain that commercial hogs are fat. So commercial raiser raised leaned hogs. now that they are lean pinoy don't want to eat them because they are not tender and juicy, ironic isn't it.

it is not the native you need to raise. there is a secret formula for purebreed and highbreed pigs to retain tenderness and juicincess of the pig.

secret formula,should I laugh now or later,with most livestock flavour is determined by fat,fat gives meat tenderness and flavour.Breed also plays a part.Fat is very unhealthy for ones heart.What a animal eats also plays a role.Well if you have a secret formula,good for you.Slyfox,in business it is commonly known as having an edge.The consumer will always look at the price(s) before buying.Consumers are driven by the cost factor,when the prices are too expensive,they will switch to something cheaper.Our hogs are fed natural foodstuffs,puts them in the line of more organic,does not translate into higher profits in the Philippines.One of the reasons for breeding the white hog,produce a leaner muscle animal.Some feed their hogs vitamin c to help keep the back fat leaner.If the native hog is more expensive to buy,well then good for us,we should make more profits in the long run.
Good Farming:
mikey,Region 7 Independant

vitamin C hmmmmmmmmm  ::) no comment.


their are many kind of white hog and not all are lean fyi



how long are you in hog raising business master mikey?

may cheaper pa bang food now a day    ::)   ???   


magkano na ba canada to peso exchange rate today ???

iba ang philippines sa canada yan lang tandaan mo master mikey.