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« on: September 18, 2011, 12:08:15 AM »

Hi po mga kuyang. Thought of asking you this if there is some truth to some of the feed premixes. The first time i heard about this was with the Atovi brand. Then, upon more research, marami pa plang nauna dito. And looking at their products, more on peptides ung classification which they claim na it will improve digestability ng mga alaga natin.

May nakaexperience po ba sa inyo kung meron nga pong improvement sa mga alaga nyo and what stages do you use premixes? Wala po kc akong mabasang study to directly relate ung market weight to the premixes. Only some data on the post weaning stage ang meron, more on the adg and adfi figures lng.

I'll name some products that I'm interested in trying and hopefully share nyo naman po ung experience nyo dito and kung alam nyo po ung product mismo. Maraming salamat po.

- Faramate by volac (milk replacer po ito not considered as peptide pero nakakatulong sa weight ng biik upon weaning)
- Palbio from Ultra Bio (considered as peptide and improves ung villi doudenum, does this translates to better digestion?)
- Peptiva similar to Palbio
- MagnaPro (Di ko po mahanap to sa google, tama po ba spelling?)
- Pro-Pep
- Firm-O-Tide (Di ko rin po ito mahanap, malamang wrong spell uli ako)
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2011, 07:09:38 PM »



the simple truth about these products is they are effective if needed pa ng animal nyo ang nutrients.

Ikumpara natin sa see-saw, sa left ang energy need then sa right ang weight gain....  kung mag lalagay ka ng energy sa left side tataas ang weight gain sa right side pero kung nasa maximum na ang energy level kahit ilang dagdag pa ng energy ay hindi na magkakaroon ng weight gain kasi n as peak  ka na.

then you have to consider the cost ng inputs against sa weight gain....

dati naghalo kami ng isang meat enhancer and lysine sa isang sako ng feed ang cost niya ay around 45 pesos per sako.  2 sako ang nilalagyan namin at cguro mga 2-3 kilos ang additional na weight gain nun... nung time na yun nasa 60-70 pesos lang ang liveweight.. so kahit papaano kumikita siya pero minsan kung iisipin worth it pa ba? especially mag mamanual na halo ka pa etc...

and also, meron na rin kasing feeds na minsan nag aadd na sila ng meat enhancer and additional vitamins kayo no need pa na maglagay
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 10:00:49 AM »

thumbs up ako sa see-saw mo doc.
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2011, 10:49:59 PM »

No assurance rin pla tlga bk kc maximized na ung genetic potential nya at haggang dun lng xa, wala ring wenta ung additive.
Thanks doc sa input.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 02:14:40 PM »

Doc..maki-tsismis din ako nito...kasi nung una iyon din ang nasa kukuti ko...mga additives or growth enhancer....

Kailan kaya natin malaman ang peak growth ng isang lahi o ng ating mga alaga?....para namn alam nating hanggang saan lng tayo.."no more add on"...

Pede lng ba ito sa mga pure lines o chopsuey ba....something ba to compare like apple to apple..

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 07:03:12 PM »

malalaman mo lang ito kung matetest mo sa animal mo, pero dapat consistent ang lahi ng animal nila.
It means dapat sa sarili niyong inahin at boar manggagaling yun animal lagi.

so ang magiging setup ninyo : halimbawa meron kayong tatlong inahin na nanganak , sa bawat inahin hahatiin nyo sa 2 grupo yung anak nila, isang grupo may additives then yun isa ala. bale maging 3 groups with additives then 3 groups without additives. weigh mo sila then harvest and weigh mo uli .. then compare.

then uulitin nyo uli yun study,  same inahin kukunin nyo yun anak , hahatiin uli sa 2, this time halimbawa si group additive nilagay nyo dati sa building b then si without additive nilagay nyo sa building c, ang gagawin nyo pagpapalitin nyo naman sila ng pwesto si group additive ilalagay nyo sa building c, while si group without additive ilalagay nyo sa building b.


Dati meron student nagconsult sa akin about sa result ng thesis niya about sa kilalang "wonder drug " daw na pang baboy,manok, etc... makakincrease daw ng weight, mawawala amoy etc...

sa test niya yun unang result si group na may additive ay halos masmalaki ng 2-5 kilos yun baboy... pero nun nagsecond test sila bansot ang mga baboy...

ang ending ng result niya is questionable... kasi nagcancel out yun weight gain nung unang batch compared sa second batch.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 07:04:39 PM »

Thank you very much Doc...

Tedious at magastos pala.....pero may big points 'tong advise mo..
Maliitan lng cguro muna...and my problem is AI ang aking pamamaraan, parang may variable factor sa semen, kasi bibili lng ako sa AI center.

Try kong magnegotiate sa technician kong makamaintain ako ng common lines.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 08:01:49 PM »

Ingat k lng bro sa pagkukuhanan mo ng semen from AI center. I've been deceived by David's AI Center (DAVSAIC). They are not professional people and very unresponsive. Di manganda service nila sa unang tangkang pagkuha ko pa lng ng semer sa kanila.

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 10:38:30 PM »

@Doc Nemo. Mukang I still need to add additive sa feeds ko. We found na mejo tailing behind ung weights ng mga alaga ko. Bk naddyeta na sila. I just need cguro to add multivitamins wsp pa rin para makahabol sila. I'll try to use it in one pen, tpos the other wala then I will c compare results pag bentahan na. Thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 09:22:07 PM »

balitaan mo nalang kami kung okay
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Baboy= Barako, inahin, fattener, kulig
Pig feeds=Breeder/gestating, lactating, booster, prestarter, starter, grower, finisher.
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