Pinoyagribusiness

hi sir....
   good day po sa kanila...my friend want to ask,because he want to put up this type of business but his problem is where to sell it....and to other goat raiser's where is the market of their stocks was there any biyahero's or midddle man for this?thank you sir.....

This is the main problem in any livestock business, where to sell your product.

Same as with hogs there are biyahero's for this kind of business.  The problematic part is where to locate this people. This is the things that you could do.

1. You could try to ask nearby goat raisers where they sell their product.
2. Go to the nearest market and ask the stall owners there.
3. Go to restaurant that offers kambing delicacy and ask them where they get their stock or who supply them.
4. Contact the local goat raiser association in your area (usually you can ask the Munincipal agricultural office for this)
5. Go to the nearest municipal agricultural office and ask them if they know any biyahero's.
6. Pay someone to find you a biyahero.

Usually if you find one or two biyahero others will follow.

sir..thank you this info.will help us alot..thank you

Usually your local livestock market has buyers for livestock of all types.If you live fairly close to a slaughter plant,you could talk to the person in charge and try and strike a deal to sell your goat(s) there.There are buyers of goats.It has been our experience the bigger buyers are interested in larger numbers of animals.Selling goats to other interested people in this business usually breeders (foundation stock).You have to do your homework and pick one market too venture into.
-Breeders
-dairy
-meat
-meat/dairy
trying to produce for all markets, usually results in failure in all markets.Pick one and stick with it first until it is successful before moving into another market.
Good Luck:
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sir doods,
san po ang location nyo? kung bulacan area po kayo may ka member po tayo sa UBGSRA na namimili.one from baliuag and one from malolos ng mga pang slaughter. last seminar namin neo abalos is buying also pang slaughter at 100pesos/kg liveweight minimum of 50 heads pipickupin nya...

kung pang breeder naman po like f1,f2,etc... pwede po kayong matulungan ng grupo. basta may certification or papers ang ibebenta nyo.

hi sir....
    good day to you..i just want to ask approximately how many months we should raise the goat before we sell it?how much weight they will gain if they will reach the right age to sell,of course we need to feed them forages,legumes and concentrates....thank you

One problem with selling goats for meat is finding someone or some business that will give a fair price for the meat.
We now have found 1 restaurant that will take all our goats we are able to produce.We realize a price of P120.00 per kg for the hot carcuss and P70.00 kg. for the stomach and another P70.00 kg. for the hide.Much better than the travelling buyers prices.
As I have stated before,my personal opinion is this.We are breeding with the boer for better meat qualities but as for average daily gain,this depends on your foundation (breeding) stocks.In our F2s our breeding sire is a prime boer buck,he has good muscle on his chest area and a well defined round rump but is not a long bodied boer.Our first crossings is with a CBB or Standard boer to breed for our F1s. does.
In my opinion a 40kg goat is what we are fattening for and if one can achieve this in 12 months time then the better for the producer.If one was breeding only natives then this is much harder to achieve,all things must be equal.Size,weight gain will depend on breed and feed and a healthy goat overall.
For us we are breeding for 40kg. within a 12 month period.One must remember,cannot be done overnight and takes selection to achieve your goal(s).

sir,
  you give them also goat concentrates,am i right?how many grams?

Doods
correct,they are fed concentrates 2 times per day.One has to be very careful feeding concentrates to goats,too much and you end up with bloat in yours goats and they die a horrible death or can get goat polio.
Until your goats are on a regular feeding with concentrates always better to start off with a small amount and work your way up.The size of your goats also lets you know how much they require.Pregnant does require special care,overfeeding with concentrates can cause milk fever and ketosis,not good.Sometimes it is a fine line one walks to keep his/her herd healthy.
It does add to a producers bottom line when you feed concentrates.

Some believe if you add baking soda or vinegar with the concentrates it helps to prevent bloat.

Best of luck
mikey

125 grams of goatmash per day for my goats

150 to 200 grams for preggy does

goatmash of 15% CP for me

I sell the goat mash at P425 per 25kg sack... pick up at Goatshop Taytay Rizal

In a recent goat seminar in Ilocos Norte, P200 per kg liveweight ang bilihan duon ;-)

What they need is a bagsakan area ;-)

There is a national farmgate price for livestock in the Philippines,varies from different regions and provinces and one of the reasons I believe it will be hard to set up a national price system for goat meat in the Philippines.Just look at pork and chicken.

From Gate to Plate is the new marketing theme for us this year.P200.00 per kg. for live goats is over and beyond the national farmgate price I believe,correct me if I am wrong.

15%cp is a little low for myself but I agree too much protein in a goats diet can cause many problems and death in your investment (goat(s).16% is better.I will agree not all brands of concentrates are equal and I do not like the brand(s) with too much molasses in them as this can cause mold and other problems.Like I have stated,its a fine line one walks and what works well on one farm or in one province does not mean it will work for you or in your province.

Usually one feeds their pregnant goat(s) after the 1st month to the 4th month less concentrates.Starting in the 4th month back to the 1st month level.Overfeeding concentrates during this period can cause many problems,ketosis and milk fever which is diet related during pregnancy,overfeeding of grains and too low of a calcium intake.

GATE TO PLATE:

Gate to plate translates into,selling your own product from the farmgate to the dinner plate.If one had a meat business then one can sell their own product and bypass the middleman putting more of the money into the producers pocket.In time the word about the health values of goat meat will catch on and more people will want to try goat meat if they believe the meat is really healthy for them.We are planning to start to sell our own goat meat products this coming Dec. and see if the public is ready.The more control a producer has from the gate to the plate,the greater the chance for success.

Mikey,

I definitely agree with you.The best way a producer can do to maximize his income is to market his own product.I had bought my first 3 female native goats to get my farm hands a bit of experience.Moving forward,I want to start on marketing as early as possible by buying live goats for meat and sell them in my place,atleast once a week,for the meantime.I been browsing the internet for any information with regards to goat meat process but found very limited information. Is cutting the goat meat same as in pork meat? Different cuts has a different price I suppose.Tenderloin.sirloin,legcut,ribs,etc..What part is the kaldereta cut and stew cut?..Any information from anybody will be very much appreciated.Thanks and GOD Bless.....

Rene

Rene

I did post some time ago a website based on the USA cuts but that site now is no longer available.I did try some years ago to set up a grade standard for meat goats but there was no interest from the meat industry as a whole in the Philippines based on prime,good and utility or culled.Once a grade standard is set up then goat meat cuts is the next step.Alaminos did a few years back spearhead goat meat cuts for the industry and only Alaminos can answer that question for you.I do think in time a grade standard and goat meat cuts will become more common and I hope will become a standard for goat meat production in the Philippines.I do think goat meat like pork and such is still sold buy the kilo in the markets and not sure if cuts are popular as of yet.

The different breeds of goats will play an important role in the grade standards.Boers because of their double muscle produce better grade standards and crossbreeds the next standard while dairy breeds because of their long lean bodies a different standard.The nubian over the years has been bred for dairy industry not like in the 60s and 70s when I remember the nubians were much heavier in muscle and well suited for the meat industry.I wish I could find some of these older genetics for nubians but seems all are lost now in favor for the dairy industry.You would not believe some of those older nubians that were bred for meat,heavy muscles with round barrel bodies,impressive beasts.

The goat industry has come along ways from the early days and good things will come in the future for those who wish to get into the business.

classification of goat meat will only be possible if the quality of life here in the Philippine would become better.

Rich country could afford this system but 3rd world and developing country is still far behind.

WE await the public presentation of the results of the goat meat standards we did more than a year ago with the Animal Product Development Center of BAI in Valenzuela City. AGF participation is providing boer goats, saanen and crosses for the study to determine the difference between the breeds in terms of bone to meat ratio. Data with native goats collected will also be compared. Because of the big sacrifice we did in slaughtering purebred goats we requested APDC to do some value added products for us like fabricating choice goat's meat cuts and vacuum sealing them in plastic bags for better presentation. They also did meat processing to come out with smoked hungarian sausages  and longaniza. For the goat  skin they had it made to hair on leather and leather.

For the choice cuts and smoked sausages we sold it to the A,B and C market and the manufacturing grade cuts we sold it to the C and D markets. For the shows we joined like the AgriLink Show we cooked caldereta using part of the manufacturing grade to showcase what can be done with the manufacturing grade cuts. There are still a lot to be learned and we need all the help we can get in goat meat fabrication, setting up the standard weights for slaughter and marketing.

PCARRD's Livestock Research Division  have commited to host the presentation of the results of the study this year but because of their busy schedule it hasn't happened. I suppose early next year would be reasonable to expect the results to be presented to the public.

Its a big help to our industry when Alaminos helps all of us with their research data.

I would be the first to admit there are times I do not explain myself well enough and I only end up causing more confussion,forgive me for the confussion.

At times what I understand what the meaning means in english will confuse others.
In the beginning what I was experimenting with was grade standards for live goats.I should use the term grade selection over grade standard.Grade standard may mean to others goat meat cuts.Grade selection was the standard for live goats not goat meat cuts and I should not have added prime,choice,good and utility with selection#1,2,3,4.Selection #1 for a goat would be for goats like the boer with good muscle development and well managed,shinny coats and clear eyes and goats under a certain age.As I have stated, the people connected with the goat meat trade had no interest in a selection grade for live goats.Yes a grade standard would better be suited for processed goat meat cuts at the retail level.A goat of a certain breed well managed is of better quality over a native goat with a dull coat and a higher bone to meat ratio and the same can be said for a goat of a dairy breed with longer leaner muscles.In theory it would help any producer raising goats for meat if there was a national selection standard for live goats over what is in place now with a standard price placed on goats of any quality.

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding with terminology.

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