Goat estrus

[ezon09]

  sir ilang buwan pagkapanganak ng kambing bago sya maglandi o magpa asawa ulit??

[nemo]

I'm no expert in goat but to my knowledge after kidding and weaning it would take 7 days to one month before a goat could be bred again. To those who are into goat business correct me if im wrong.

So they say that every 7 months you will have a kid.
5 months pregnancy, one month milking, one month to bred again.

[mikey]

Dr. Nemo.do believe this is in the wrong forum,goats in the Philippines will breed all year round,not like here in N. America,our goats are mainly milk goats,we found it easier to wean at 4 months,usually within 2 months the does will come into heat again after weaning.Body condition of your herd is very important.Kidding in the rainy season can lead to major problems.
Good Day To You Doc.                                    mikey

[nemo]

Mikey thank you for correcting the post location, i'm to business did not notice that it was posted in the poultry section.

Body condition is the key factor when the animal would return to heat. The longer your animal is milked the longer it would take to return to heat especially  if everyday nutrition is not met.

Milking goat is not yet that booming in this country. In fact the whole dairy business still dependent to about 99% import to other country like new zealand, australia etc.

Goat is here more about meat production. That is why weaning is shorter to give way to a earlier return to heat and in return.

Yes, it is true goat are very susceptible to cold whether not only the kid but the older ones.

[mikey]

Dr. Nemo,we have found that if you wean too early,the kid(s) do very poorly,loose weight and sometimes die,have found it best to wean at 4 months,this year we lost no babies,2006 lost 60% of the kid(s) that was a bad year for us.The native goat matures faster but has slower growing babies,anglos and upgrades have better hybrid vigor (carcass production),our natives do better with the concentrates they are fed,the 3 way cross seems to be a winner in the Philippines now,meat and milk,anglo buck to native doe x boer buck,you get a goat that is bigger and able to milk with  good meat qualities,hope this  mix will be a winner in the Philippines.Our anglos do well at the farm,we get approx. 1 litre per doe which  is average for a anglo,better does will give 1 1/2 litres.Some of us are working on the idea,the Philippines needs a dual purpose goat,milk and meat,anglos are that kind of goat,but they cost so much that the average farmer cannot afford,this is why the 3 way cross may have a future,this kind of goat has to be affordable to farmers.I still hold hope that the people at our place will give the goats milk to their children to help in their daily needs,so far we cannot give it away for free,and it is pasturzied first,hogs get to eat it now.The old saying you can lead a horse to water but you cannot force it too drink.Anglo milk is top quality and in time the Philippines will not need to depend on imports,this is my dream,to help the Philippines become less dependant on milk imports,too breed a affordable dual purpose goat.  Good Day To You Doc       mikey

P.S. In Canada D.V.M. like to be referred to as DR.,out of respect for you I refer to you as Dr. or Doc.

[nemo]

Thank you Mikey, appreciated it.

That is the problem in early weaning, mortality. So most give concentrate to increase the bulk of their animal and TLC.

Compared to sow goat have longer gestation and very few litters. Its gestation is around 5 months and it will only farrow 1-2 kid. That is why some are weaning it in a month to compensate. Althoug, i may not sure now a days how they do it in bigger goat farm.

Goat milk is considered subtitute to human milk because of less allergic reaction to this milk.

There are now meat type hybrid for sale in the philippines but it would cost around 45t.

[mikey]

Dr, Nemo,the 3 way cross started down in region 12,that is where I got the idea from,45 t,that is alot of money for most farmers,the goat has to be affordable,anglos now cost upwards of 400 P per kilo for breeders,boers cost 350.00-500 p per kilo breeders,that is alot of money.It seems to me the price of livestock is out of control now.Boer goats always did cost more than a cow,when a hog cost more than a cow,there is something wrong. Good Day To You Doc.            mikey

[nemo]

As of now because there are only few pure breeds of  goats the price are still high.  There are now some people who is trying to acclimatize and breed this goats so price would go down. Although we are still a long way from there.

Pure breed cows are also expensive although rather than import this breeds our government import semen and use it to propagate the breds to the farmers. There many farmers now that have benefited from this upgrades.

[mikey]

The native goat is a good breeder,too small,but a hardy little goat,upgrading with the native is the key to the goat future I think,the 3 way cross looks very interesting to us (my wife and I),native doe x anglo buck=f1 anglo x boer buck makes for mix/hybred/upgrade what ever you wish to call it,its have the milking ability,hybred vigor,carcass mass,its a start,a farmer/breeder can use any type of dairy breed,we prefer the anglo over any of the other dairy breeds,we feel the anglo has better hybred vigor for a tropical country,personal/business decision.The Govt. states most goat farms (back yard operators )not interested in AI,maybe if more information was made available to farmers and at affordable prices,the little guy could build up a better herd(s).In our area and surrounding districts the Govt. did supply 1 boer buck,he died over 1 month ago due to poor management,we are scrambling to find our own boers as we need them for our breeding program,you are right breeding stock is expensive,I told my wife,2 is better than 1,and as long as we keep them healthy,should  breed for over 6 years easy,another problem is in some places,the goat milk has no value,we feed ours to the hogs,no place to market our milk yet,I am sure some day there will be a market for our milk,maybe cheese??I personally believe AI with goats has alot to offer the industry,how one promotes this, I have no answers,would be cheaper for the Govt. in the long run I would think.Good Day To You Doc.  mikey

[alaminos_goatfarm]

Producing the prototype three way cross goat which is dual milk and meat is
one thing that will really touch the lives of the Filipino Farmer.You can just imagine milk for the goats and the excess milk for the nutritional need of the children of the farmer and at the end of the day meat to sell.
At the start of our goat business three years ago we were convince that croosing the native or F1 doe with a pure anglo buck and the next generation with a pure boer buck. The ideal cross solves the problem of lack of milk for the kids. But this year with the arrival of our Saanen does and bucks from Australia, when they started kidding we were amazed with the milk they were producing.Introducing the purebred saanen buck in  the equation puts the volume of milk produce to a higher level.A notable increase in height and length were observed in the kids produce from th crosses. Although a lot of things are still to be done to document our observation we believe we have stumbled on something good. We will share more info as we go along.

[mikey]

I will agree Saanen are at the top of milk production,even here in North American the saanen is not as common as a Anglo.My personal opinion on some breeds is that,PRODUCTION TRAITS: one must understand adaptability,most important in successful goat farming,taking an animal from one climate and placing it into another.Takes many years to get a goat to adapt to new conditions.It will take many more years of breeding to produce a dual purpose goat made in the Philippines dairy/meat,so far the 3 way cross seems to be the answer,may not make a big difference which breed of dairy goat is used,too early to tell at this point in time,it will take breeders playing around with the gene pools to get it right.Good luck with your venture.I was thinking about a f1 saanen x anglo buck  breed to a f1 anglo/native doe,then if one wanted to you could bred to a Boer terminal sire.One would still have a dairy/meat goat (dual purpose).
Independant Producer Region 7
mikey