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Full blood:
the animal in question must be registered by an accredited register,its lineage must be traced back to its point of origin e.g. boers to South Africa,meets the breed standard,and appears in the herd book:

THE CONFUSING ISSUE OF AMERICAN PUREBREED & FULL BLOODED GOATS
This is from ABGA:
1. FULL BLOOD BOER GOATS - must have originated from 100% full blood stock, either imported or American born from imported genetics.

a. Both Sire and Dam, of the animal being registered, must be registered in the ABGA full blood category unless imported as a live animal, or stock is derived from embryos or semen of full blood stock.

b. Proper pedigree papers of imported animals and/or progeny must be supplied to ABGA for full blood resignation to be made.

2. AMERICAN BOER GOATS - Must originate from the cross breeding of FULL BLOOD BOER BUCK or AMERICAN PUREBRED BOER BUCKS (see d. and e. below) with any other breed of goat.

a. 1/2 Part-bred American Boer Goats-Does

Sire is an ABGA registered Full blood or American Purebred Boer goat and the dam is undecided, of unknown ancestry or of another breed.

b. 3/4 Part-bred American Boer Goats Does

Sire is an ABGA registered Full blood or American Purebred Boer goat and the dam is an ABGA registered ½ Part-bred American Boer goat.

c. 7/8 Part-bred American Boer Goats - Does

Sire is an ABGA registered Full blood or American Purebred Boer goat and the dam is an ABGA registered 3/4 Part-bred American Boer goat.

d. American Purebred Boer Goat Does (15/16 or higher Boer goat blood)

Sire is an ABGA registered Full blood or American Purebred Boer goat and the darn is an ABGA registered

7/8 Part-bred American Boer goat. DOES IN THIS CATEGORY (15/16 OR HIGHER BOER GOAT BLOOD) BECOME ELIGIBLE TO BE SHOWN IN THE SAME CLASSES AS FULL BLOOD BOER GOATS.

e. American Purebred Boer Goat Bucks (31/32 or higher Boer goat blood)

Sire is an ABGA registered Full blood or American Purebred Boer Goat and the darn is an ABGA registered

American Purebred Boer (15/16 or higher blood). BUCKS IN THIS CATEGORY (31/32 OR HIGHER) ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE SHOWN IN THE SAME CLASSES AS FULL BLOOD BOER GOATS. ONLY FULL BLOOD OR AMERICAN PUREBRED BOER GOAT BUCKS (31/32 OR HIGHER) SHALL BE USED

FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING PERCENTAGE IN SUBSEQUENT GENERATIONS.

f. Bucks of 15/16 or less Boer blood will not be eligible for registration. For these animals 1/2,3/4,7/8 or 15/16 Boer blood are eligible for a 'Record of Pedigree" certificate. This 'Record of Pedigree" will be issued after the proper documentation has been submitted with the buck's herd prefix, herd name and a three generation history.

 
International Standards,lets try and look more professional here folks.
Buying a goat from a farm and getting some sort of paper from that farm means very little in the real world,must be registered by an ACCREDITED REGISTER,PERIOD.

It is not that applicable in the philippines

sure it is,especially when people are advertising Full Blood animals for sale.How can the industry progress,when you want to stay regressed.Education should never be taken lightly.

The mistake I see is in the language,should state NON REGISTERED FULL BLOODED, if the animal in question does not meet the proper standards,registered,herd book etc.etc.is all I am saying.Other than that it is misleading and false to make something appear better than what it really is,would you not agree with me.

Yup that is my point why i said it is not applicable.

Because there is no registrating body here in the Philippines, all animals are considered as full blood even though they did not meet the standard etc..

Doc, my good man,I was informed some time back that there is a national registry and herd book for the natives,not sure if this is true or not,maybe someone who knows can comment further.There was rumors floating around about starting a boer registry,not sure if it ever got off the ground.

not aware of it...

I would try to ask around.

i think before theres a registry in UPLB for goats.hindi ko lang alam kung meron pa to.

boer goats may sariling club may registry sila ngpa boer goat show na sila.

for our club UBGSRA(united bulacan goat and sheep raisers ass) we'll be starting our registry.only pure or fullblood bucks will be accepted. does will be categorized as upgrade,native,f1,f2 and f3 and will be given peds. f4 does could be registered as these could produce f5 bucks and does that we will consider pure 96.88%.

SamX
how would you keep everyone honest?Usually a farm has a herd name,in your case it could be known as SamX with some numbers,everyone would know your farm is the breeder.Goats usually carry a tattoo in one ear with the herd name & numbers,ears tags can be removed and altered but not tattoos which stay with the animal for its lifetime,plus a picture of each goat(s) in the registry.

mikey,
actually the honesty part is the real deal in our plan..but as a fellow member says "we have to start somewhere"...we all cannot tell who's honest or who's not...we'll just hope that 90% of our members would be honest for the year 2009 then theres a big chance bulacan herd would improve in 2010...

for purebreds and fullbloods bucks we'll be needing peds and certification to be registered in the club.for does f1,f2,f3 and f4 we do need certification/peds and it is still have to be approve by the certifying body composed of officers and members.upgrades and natives must also be submitted in members herd count.we're still finalizing on some topics like recommending of f1 bucks to be castrated so that it could not be sold as breeder bucks to farmers.

we'll be using a jiffy tag(what i used to use on my fightingcocks) all members will have their own applicator and tags that they'll be using when kids are born,the name & number on these tags are registered to the club. if a kid dies the tag should be surrendered. then our club will have its own prenumbered jiffy tag that we would use when we do a surprise visit to the members farm that reported the kidding. so there would be 2 jiffy tags on the kid until at least 4-6 months of age that we could put the plastic ear tag with the name of the club.and if the member will put his own plastic ear tag it will also be recorded.

picture will also be taken and the markings and color will be recorded.this will all be saved in a computer with a back-up hard copy.

we would be strict in implementing punisment on dishonest members.

its a tough job and additional cost for breeders...but we got to start somewhere....

SamX
very interesting,sounds like a good plan and I wish you all the very best.For us,our farm is so remote that there is very little interest in goats.In the world of goats,upgrades are listed as percentage,F1=50%,F2=75%,etc,etc,usually restricted to the does tho.Hybrids are listed under experimentials.
Sounds good and like you stated it is a start.

mikey,
yep genrally upgrades are the f1's,f2's,etc...thanks for the correction..i dont know about hybrids..

but in our way if a member could not certify its f1's,f2's,etc or even his fullbloods/pure...it will all be considered to one level as upgrades in our category(we couldnt think of what we call them). physically its larger than the natives so we couldnt categorize them as natives.

SamX
well a 3 way cross or even a 4 way cross can be considered a hybrid and listed usually as a experimential for a registery.I am sure you and your organization will work it out and nice to hear that you are taking the step to set up a registry.You are a very interesting person to talk with.I have waited many years for someone to start posting in this forum,the more people who post the better.I have posted all the information I have here to try and help other people interested in goats but for a long time not many people posted anything.But everyday I waited.

Honesty would be a problem but then again i do believe that there are still more honest people than not ;D

A "standard" should also be agreed upon by the goat association of the Philippines and the national government. This would centralized everything.

mikey,
maybe a pedigree would be given to hybrids for recording purporses.i believe that in these hybrids you call will come out the best goat for philippine condition..both in meat and in dairy...well work it out hopefully before the year ends we could start the project.
time will come that there would be more of us here...maybe have not yet discovered this site...

nemo,
hopefully there would be a 3rd plastic eartag  for our registered goat and that is the FGASPAPI's tag.

I am sure it will all work out in the end,already the goat industry is making major strides and will continue to do so into the future.
Doc. good to hear from you again,the future of the goat business will also depend on the new young vets taking an interest in the goat business.Its a growth industry with a real future.

Samx
3rd tag is too much.

2 tag is okay, let say left ear for farm tag and right ear is for association tag.


Mikey,
as always been busy, from time to time i just sneak here.

doc,
yep it may be too much.but well be using naman small plastic tags.except for the owners theyll decide what to use,....and fot the 3rd tag(fgaspapi) we dont know yet about them if theyll be with this our theyll just let the club under them to do this.

This was a dead topic that i saw and i think should be revived.  Is there some way we can start some sort of bloodline standard?  Something cheap that a backyard farmer can even do.

Well,its not so simple.First one has to know and understand the breed standard for each breed.How does one know what a good goat looks like when one needs to know what a bad goat looks like.Understanding the breed standard is parmount first, then knowing what a dairy doe and sire should look like.There is a wealth of information on this on the net and the breed standards are universal.The standard would have to be the universal breed standard and take it from there.Sure,it can be done just alot of work and knowledge one needs to understand.To have the experience of a live goat show allows you to see for yourself what the judges are looking for in the breed.

How many people really understand weak udder attachments,where is the shelf on the udder,escutcheon to low,medial suspension,teats too bulbous,teats tilt in,teats tilt out,teats to forward,to far back and beefy flanks.Or weak chine,steep rump,sickled hocked,short thick neck,roached loin and steep rump,weak chest and posty leg.

In the future I think the industry will adapt to a standards or some sort and the understanding and knowledge or what a good goat is suppose to look like.This industry is new and will take some time to learn everything that goes with this business.Everything in good time.

I definitely agree now after reading more about this standard.  Philippines is not ready to have one yet, but the industry is heading there.  It's a not priority right now because of other things that requires more attention.  It's not just the knowledge but training experts, but placing an expert in each region and training them.  I can foresee a structural nightmare.