mikey,
been busy im here in US since last year.visiting farms and seeing whats in here.

i think some of the members of goatraisers yahoo group talk about the meat standards.ive not hears about the results yet.

i agree with you about farm to plate. goat raising is likely to have a niche market.like here they have their buyers.they have like a schedule for different etnic groups that uses goats or need goats.milks are sold or made into cheese,soaps, etc by farm owners.

i also agree about F1 and F2 for meat. strict culling is a must. and weighing of goat is needed. does that have good ADG could be kept as breeders.

as of now i really dont know whats happening about the goat industry in the Philippines.last season i lost at least 8 kids and 6 does from the nonstop rains.i lost 1 lamb with unknown death.not lost a single native pig.the farm was flooded with water during the ondoy typhoon knee-level.fellow UBGSRA members just update me on the groups project like CAE testing and AI on goats.

ill try to post some pics of some farms here that i visited.they do have different structures.

doods,
nagdedeworm po ako.i use albendazole pag mga pregnan i use fenbendazole.hindi po sapat ang sukat na lugar namin kaya sumasakate pa po kami sa labas.as of now we will change our goat practice.

adoosoft,
im out of thecountry right now baka pwede ka makaorder sa other UBGSRA members.try TJ 0922-8384651

yung bumibili ng kambing ba? try mang nards  sa may EMAUS bible camp.president ng UBGSRA.

mikey,
our big brothers in the goat industry are talking about standards on meat goats. with art almeda,martin, neo abalos and others talking about it maybe next year there would already be a standard for meat goats.



another exmaple of a housing design:
TJ farm
baliuag,bulacan

the extension goathouse roof is made of rubber(cost is 120pesos 4ftby8ft if im not mistaken) and some old ,woods are mostly palo china and outlumbers.

kev,
one of the downside of going to elevated and better housing is i think only the cost.

my advantages as of now are the ease of cleaning, no mortality as of now on kids and lambs,more healthy flocks.

my system is semi intensive because our farm is just a hectare.cut and carry and i let them graze when the weather permits.

here in p.i. during the rainy months when it rains it really pours. and for our place where there are no mountains(rice land) and large trees to barricade during storms it really affects our animals thats why we do have high mortlities before.

i coudnt sacrifice the welfare and health of my animals during rains and storms thats why i invest more on housing.

mikey,
the group is lucky enough to have darwin tinasas of greener pastures as a visitor for 2 days. i dont know if you know him. he's from davao and raises dairy anglo nubians and been successful. he's a farmer scientist of PCARRD.unfortunately he has to go to the dairy congress on thursday.

he says that indigonofera and mullberry do really have an effect on milk volumes of goat. and having different kind of forage also helps. at least 5 different types.


here's another goat house design:
doc lazaro farm
baliuag,bulacan

mikey,
the wagyu-freisan cross are from australia i dont know about the brahamans.i realy want to have one of those anglos but my budget did not permit.hehe

beans for lactation?what type of beans?

ive beean to a fellow UBGSRA member mr.icho gonzales of san ildefonso bulacan.i dont have the opportunity to get pics of his goat house. what amazed me is that his goat will readily eat rice straws(ginikan) while eating fresh napiers. he said that his secret is in the timing and he cuts the rice straw at about 4-5 inches with a lilik.he feeds napier with the same cut.

sometimes the government have the problem sometimes the beneficiaries...

many of our members will be starting into dairy this year.hopefully most of us are into dairy next year.anglo will be the line to be used.we dont have any saanens yet maybe in june with the help of NDA for one of our member.

i have no more pics to post as of now.maybe you could post some pic of your farm?goat house?

 ;Dgo sabungero

 ;Dyummy

we raise pigeons for racing....those that do not pass my qualifications will go to the kitchen...hehe

Friends,

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Goat Economics,
Forage Development
Forage identification (Legumes)
Goat Health and basic Veterinary skills
Dehorning, Disbudding,
Types of Castration,
Recording Keeping
Ear tagging
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mikey,
vermiculture do really give goat farmers here an extra income.initial cost would just be the beds and starting worms.

yesterday we discussed in our meeting about the hog feeds.i opened it up as we discussed it here. a fellow UBGSRA member with a commercial piggery that mix his own hog feeds said that he does not give his grower ration to goats because his grower feeds cotains chromium.we finished the discussion that the group will formulate our feeds as a group to lessen our expenses.

we also have our farm tour at jomar hizons goat and cattle farm.then again i acquired 3 f1's. but fellow members bought purebred anglo-nubians imported from australlia.dairy lines with papers. we are hoping to improve more the groups dairy line as a fellow group member already acquired kastdemure lines.total of 3 imported anglo bucks and 38 heads f1 and native does(most are pregnants with them roaming are the anglo bucks).its really sad that we could not get support from our government thats why we sacrifice on our own as a group giving into what we can to acquire good bloods for our goat meat/dairy project.and maybe someday help fellow bulacan farmers into this venture to have an extra income.

about feeding hay i dont know if my technique will work for you.when we cut grass i air dried it at least 12 hours some would be dried for a day. i spray them with molasses diluted on water.must be same ratio always to have the same taste.the i slowly add ginikan(rice stalk hay) and also spray it. my real trick is i have sheeps(some of them will readily eat the hay and eat them all). as the goat sees it goat will take some.the problem is that when they are given again fresh grass(0nly air dried for an hour to 3 hours).

have you tried pigeon pea.? a fellow member uses it for protein.and it have a good effect on his goats and neighbors as you can cook its seeds and feed the leaves and stalks to goats.i have not tried it but will plant some this coming rainy season.

pls update me if the ginger and garlic will work for you.ampalaya leaves is hard to find here unless youll buy it. thanks for the eyechart i have tried it last week when i deworm my lambs.of the 6 lambs scheduled to be dewromed i just dewromed 1 with the basis of the chart.hope it works well with me.


Jomar hizon farm(pampangas's best)
location: pampanga

one thing i like in his farm are the electric fences.the gadget will cost about 12k from australlia.

boers


anglo does from australlia


wagyu bull

mikey,
i have heard about snubians on nubian talk.but really dont know before what snubians are.

thanks for the tips you tught me.learned a lot.i just hope that someday i would go on to milking also.


heres another UBGSRA member farm. i just visited the farm last week, and acquired 3 beautiful f1's. the owner is the father of a good friend from araneta(college years).

theyll be focusing on dairy for their next phase in goat raising.waiting for their saanens. they will also venture into vermiculture with the help of fellow UBGSRA memebers.

manny perez
location: sta.maria,bulacan

ayan dumadami na tanetista...hehehe

mikey,
alaminos farm attain that 300+ lactation days i think because they use Saanens..and of course as youve said the forage....i also read from the yahoogroups taht jeff lim is into milking and uses saanens and saanen-anglo crosses.neo abalos is also using saanen breeds.

i know that kangkong the upland type always seeing their seeds on plant corners of harwares in malls.ill try to plant them. we could cook them and feed the extras for our goats.we dont have bloat casualties we only have them during rainy season and very minimal.ill try to add baking soda when raining season starts.ill add them to darak/our feed formulation. how many would i add for every kilo of feeds?

we are already giving red rockies to or goats and yellow rockies for our sheep. do you think if it could harm them if i give salt to lick?im also thinking to use the table salt with iodine but afraid to try.i do add salt to our feeds that we make at 1/2 kilo per 25 kilos.

what type of vinegar do you use? ive been using apple cider vinegar to my fightingcocks and racing pigeons to prevent coccidiosis.could i use apple cider vinegar?how much would i add to the water?

and lastly how did you acquire the famancha chart?i ask relative and friends in the US to look for it in and didnt find one.you could only get one by doing a 6 month seminar...\
what chemical dewormers do you use? for kids and for the does after giving birth?

haha i think i have too many questions na....



here is another UBGSRA member farm:
roland laderas
san ildefonso,bulacan

buck house

mikey,
500 grams a day and youre using hog concentrates..how much milk do you get from a doe?what breed do you use?
im fascinated with the baking soda and vinegar. vinegar are given to goats here before slaughter.and the kangkong,we do have many kangkong here but i dont give to goats im afraid they might acquire flukes(from snails).do you give kangkong directly or do you clean them first?

i agree with you that high floorings could cause problems during cold days. that why i put a windbreaker in my goat house(put it beside 2 walls).
about that goat eyelids. do you use famacha chart(seen it on the net)?..this is what i really want to learn.do you use herbal plants as dewormers?
what breed of goats do you have in your farm?

another farm:
ERiC goat FARM
location: pulong yantok,angat,bulacan
owner: eric dela cruz

eric is a member of gaspar3 and UBGSRA. he's an anglo man.
his farm is a pig farm converted to cattle farm and then now a goat farm.





for the young bucks

mikey,
correction alaminos is not the farm im referring to who feeds pelletized feeds ad libitum its ka efren barotlome's farm-the owner of NUTRIMIX feeds.
my goat feed mix i got the formula from a friend who's into goats long time..he got his formula from CLSU and revised it in some way applicable to him(resourcing of raw materials). the advantage of mixing my own is that i could seek for lower priced ingredients,the problem is mixing it throughly specially the vitamin-mineral ingredients. i go into mixing my own before coz i dont know where to buy feeds for my goats.other uses hog feeds, i dont want to put some stuffs like antibiotics on my goats.

how many grams of concentrate do you give?what concentrate do you use?what forage do you give...ive tried to plant mullberry it did nor grow in our place. ill be planting more malunggay before the rainy season.

one thing i like on philippine housing is it is easier to clean.hehehe(medyo tamad ako)...the higher to the ground  i think is better. around 4ft-6ft.it would be more costly but more economical in the long run.i dont really like cleaning floors and putting hay. we just did that last december2008-january2009 coz its really very cold.

unfortunatelly i didnt get the buck today coz its raining here all day. you cant really predict the weather now...


here is another farm pics:
jeff lim farm-jsj farm (if im not mistaken)
location: gerona,tarlac










fellow cockers that accompany me in my trip.at the back are the goat houses