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« on: October 14, 2009, 01:24:42 PM »

Hi Doc,
What is the difference between the fermented feeds and wet feeding in swine ?
I read on the other forum that they mix water on feeds and called this as fermented feeds.
Is this fermented feeds have advantages than wet feeding ? Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 07:56:18 PM »

Fermented feeds , you need to store it for quite sometime para mag karoon ng good bacteria or yeast growth.


While wet feeding could be feeds that is mixed with water then given to the animal , although fermented feeds per see is a type of wet feeding.

Fermented feeds if done properly could increase weight gain, feed conversion etc... this is because of the good bacteria na meron ito.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 09:42:35 PM »

I will try this fermented feeding on my fatteners. Pero Doc, what if mapanis ito at makain ng baboy?
Maka apekto kaya sa health ng baboy ? Mag ilang oras o araw ba dapat ibabad sa tubig at papaano ang ratio ng tubig at feeds ?
Salamat.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 09:22:54 AM »

sir,

pagkakaalam ko po pagpanis or sira yung feeds di kakainin ng baboy, minsan akala natin panis or sira yung feeds na fenerment kasi maasim yung amoy pero yun po talaga ang nangyayari pag binabad yung feeds dapat maasimasim na manamis namis yung amoy or yung pagkaasim nya ay di dapat parang amoy panis

advise nila dapat daw non-medicated or non-atibiotic yung feeds na gagamitin nyo para malaman nyo kong ok yung feeds na gagamitin nyo I suggest na try nyo muna in a small amount ng feeds let say 1 cup muna nyo itry pag ok saka kayo magferment ng madami

sa ratio advise nila ay 3:1 kong tabo ang gamit nyo ay 3 tabong tubig sa 1 tabong feeds ang pagbabad ay overnite pwede din 4-6 hours prior pakain mix nyo mabuti bago nyo ipakain kasi naiiwan sa ilalaim yung feeds minsan akala mo matubig pero yun talaga ang tamang dami

ito ang dapat nyong observe at compare nyo

bilis at dami ng nakakain sa fermented vs sa non ferment
yung kanilang dumi sa ferment vs sa non ferment
gana sa pagkain sa ferment vs non ferment
inilalaki nila sa ferment vs non ferment
dami ng nauubos na feeds sa ferment vs non ferment
pagmay natitira ba ay binabalikan ba nila para ubusin sa ferment vs non ferment
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 10:03:00 PM »

Yun ang problem sa fermenting ng feeds possible na mapanis siya.
Possible magkasakit ang animal kapag kinain nya ito.
I am not sure about the amount of water and feeds to be mix.
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 10:40:03 PM »

sir,

pagkakaalam ko po pagpanis or sira yung feeds di kakainin ng baboy, minsan akala natin panis or sira yung feeds na fenerment kasi maasim yung amoy pero yun po talaga ang nangyayari pag binabad yung feeds dapat maasimasim na manamis namis yung amoy or yung pagkaasim nya ay di dapat parang amoy panis

advise nila dapat daw non-medicated or non-atibiotic yung feeds na gagamitin nyo para malaman nyo kong ok yung feeds na gagamitin nyo I suggest na try nyo muna in a small amount ng feeds let say 1 cup muna nyo itry pag ok saka kayo magferment ng madami

sa ratio advise nila ay 3:1 kong tabo ang gamit nyo ay 3 tabong tubig sa 1 tabong feeds ang pagbabad ay overnite pwede din 4-6 hours prior pakain mix nyo mabuti bago nyo ipakain kasi naiiwan sa ilalaim yung feeds minsan akala mo matubig pero yun talaga ang tamang dami

Many Thanks for Your Advise, Sir. Subukan ko nga ito using pre-starter, starter at growers.

ito ang dapat nyong observe at compare nyo

bilis at dami ng nakakain sa fermented vs sa non ferment
yung kanilang dumi sa ferment vs sa non ferment
gana sa pagkain sa ferment vs non ferment
inilalaki nila sa ferment vs non ferment
dami ng nauubos na feeds sa ferment vs non ferment
pagmay natitira ba ay binabalikan ba nila para ubusin sa ferment vs non ferment
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2009, 03:10:43 PM »

sir,

konti konti lang po muna para di mabigla at masanay...anu po feeds gamit nyo kamusta naman po performance

Thanks po
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2009, 10:07:36 PM »


Thank You for your advises Sir. I'm getting my feeds from our cooperative (CAFFMACO), which Im a member.
So far, Ok naman ang performance ng mga feeds.



sir,

konti konti lang po muna para di mabigla at masanay...anu po feeds gamit nyo kamusta naman po performance

Thanks po
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 12:07:49 AM »

@Sanico - san po ung CAFFMACO? I'm also looking for cooperative/local feed millers sa pangasinan area. Maybe you can help me if CAFFMACO have some information in Pangasinan. I opened a topic on this but to no avail. Baka lng, may alam ung mga ksama mo.

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 06:35:15 PM »

up_n_under,

one alternative siguro is sumali kayo sa agricultural na cooperative then sila yun magtayo ng feed store para dun bibili mga members...

Mahirap ang cooperative na feed mill, bibihira  ang nagiging succesful like limcoma, CAFFMACO, Ibaba soro-soro
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 07:42:02 PM »

Di po ba ang salitang ferment ang paraan ng pagpapapanis ng pagkain.
Tama din daw sabi nila na kapag nagferment ka ng feeds na merong antibiotic, talagang mapapanis at makakasama sa ating mga alaga..
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2011, 10:34:03 PM »

technically kasi mali yun word na panis... naassociate kasi yun fermentation sa salitang panis dahil parehas silang maasim...

fermentation kasi pagconvert ng food (sugar) sa alcohol, lactic acid (nagpapaasim) etc...

Sad to say yung idea na"ang feeds na merong antibiotic magpapapanis sa kanya kapag ginawang fermented"  i think is "bad marketing strategy" ng isang feed company against sa ibang company ng feeds...

There are a lot of people na nag propromote ng herbal at natural farming ngayon then yung ibang company nakikiride on sa bandwagon na ito. They are stating na ang feeds nila organic, walang antibiotic etc.. At kapag ang feeds ng kalabang company  na may antibiotic inilagay mo /ginawa mong fermented feeds madali daw mapanis dahil may antibiotic...

Question: Paano ba napapanis ang isang feed/ pagkain ng tao???  Usually dahil ito sa mikrobyo...

ano ba ang mga bagay na nakakapatay sa mikrobyo? alcohol, disinfect, ANTIBIOTIC, etc...

so kung may antibiotic ang isang feeds diba dapat hindi nga siya mapanis? kasi papatayin niya yun  mikrobyo ....


may inconsistent idea tuloy na nagbabanggaan. Pero dahil out of respect sa kausap natin, na alam natin na may mas alam sila sa bagay bagay dahil pinag aralan nila ito ,,, naniniwala tayo...




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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2011, 12:07:48 AM »





Sad to say yung idea na"ang feeds na merong antibiotic magpapapanis sa kanya kapag ginawang fermented"  i think is "bad marketing strategy" ng isang feed company against sa ibang company ng feeds...

There are a lot of people na nag propromote ng herbal at natural farming ngayon then yung ibang company nakikiride on sa bandwagon na ito. They are stating na ang feeds nila organic, walang antibiotic etc.. At kapag ang feeds ng kalabang company  na may antibiotic inilagay mo /ginawa mong fermented feeds madali daw mapanis dahil may antibiotic...

Question: Paano ba napapanis ang isang feed/ pagkain ng tao???  Usually dahil ito sa mikrobyo...

ano ba ang mga bagay na nakakapatay sa mikrobyo? alcohol, disinfect, ANTIBIOTIC, etc...

so kung may antibiotic ang isang feeds diba dapat hindi nga siya mapanis? kasi papatayin niya yun  mikrobyo ....


may inconsistent idea tuloy na nagbabanggaan. Pero dahil out of respect sa kausap natin, na alam natin na may mas alam sila sa bagay bagay dahil pinag aralan nila ito ,,, naniniwala ta

Tama yan doc, ung makulit na ahente ng isang kilala ding feed company inaalok kmi ng kanilang produkto (hindi kmi interested) sinisiraan nya ang gamit naming feeds ngaun, dahil daw may antibiotic na meron sa feeds na wala sa kanila (hndi naman sya nutritionist hehe), at ipaglalaban daw nya ang quality ng kanilang feeds sa aming ginagamit ngayon.. Maling strategy para lang sila kumita at manira ng ibang tao..
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2011, 10:22:46 PM »

lahat yata ng nagoffer sa akin ng fermented ganyan ang strategy. mukhang ganito talaga ang kalakaran dito sa pinas. niwey salamat sa paglilinaw doc at salamat din sa pag-oopen kuyang laguna_piglets.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2011, 09:24:26 AM »

bale ano ang common denominator dito mas mahusay ang branded o ang fermented feeds? asking lang po salamat
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