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Title: GILTS
Post by: sanico on February 19, 2009, 09:34:49 PM
Hi Doc,
I have 3- F1 gilts ( Carmen, Nena, and Myrna )and they are sisters. They aged 6 months and 1 week.
Their 1st heat was last Feb.13,2009 at sabay-sabay. Carmen weighs = 134 kgs,
Nena weighs = 105 kgs and Myrna weighs = 97 kgs, and they on the same pig pen.
I want to separate Carmen for she is already overweight to breed at around 120 - 130 kgs.,
para makakain din ng husto sina Nena at Myrna to catch up with their breeding weight.
Will it be ok to separate Carmen and it will not affect  them for their ovulation period
on their 2nd heat and 3rd heat ?
Salamat


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on February 20, 2009, 09:13:23 PM
It is okay. Normally if the animal is huge enough you can move it to another pen.



Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: sanico on February 20, 2009, 09:36:02 PM
SAlamat po.

It is okay. Normally if the animal is huge enough you can move it to another pen.




Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: sanico on February 24, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
Hi Doc,

One of the Gilt ( Carmen ) has her 1st Heat last Feb 13, and last Feb. 21 heats again for her 2nd Heat.,instead on Mar.6.Is it normal or abnormal for a Gilt to come into Heat within 8 days instead of 21 days? Do we have to breed
when the 3rd Heat comes ? By this time, Age of the Gilt is about 210 days and about 134 kg only.
Do we have also to adjust the vaccination program for Gilts? Instead of 7 days interval per vaccine , can we adjust to  5 days interval ?

Thanks.


Hi Doc,
I have 3- F1 gilts ( Carmen, Nena, and Myrna )and they are sisters. They aged 6 months and 1 week.
Their 1st heat was last Feb.13,2009 at sabay-sabay. Carmen weighs = 134 kgs,
Nena weighs = 105 kgs and Myrna weighs = 97 kgs, and they on the same pig pen.
I want to separate Carmen for she is already overweight to breed at around 120 - 130 kgs.,
para makakain din ng husto sina Nena at Myrna to catch up with their breeding weight.
Will it be ok to separate Carmen and it will not affect  them for their ovulation period
on their 2nd heat and 3rd heat ?
Salamat


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on February 24, 2009, 08:25:20 PM
it is not normal, wait for march 6  and see if it will heat normally. March 6 would be the normal 2nd heat.

Or its 2nd heat could be March 14 assuming that Feb 21 is its "true heat".

It seldom happen but it do occurs sometimes in animal after its heat period it will show another sign of heat 9-11 days after its heat period, this is pseudoheat.

Stick with the 21 day cycle whether it will fall on march 6 or march 14 it will be considered as 2nd heat pa rin.

Don't adjust the vaccination.




Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: sanico on February 24, 2009, 09:17:26 PM
Thanks Doc, God Bless.

it is not normal, wait for march 6  and see if it will heat normally. March 6 would be the normal 2nd heat.

Or its 2nd heat could be March 14 assuming that Feb 21 is its "true heat".

It seldom happen but it do occurs sometimes in animal after its heat period it will show another sign of heat 9-11 days after its heat period, this is pseudoheat.

Stick with the 21 day cycle whether it will fall on march 6 or march 14 it will be considered as 2nd heat pa rin.

Don't adjust the vaccination.





Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: sanico on February 26, 2009, 01:45:32 AM
Hi Doc,
Ask ko lang po. Puede ba mag inject ng Vitamins B with liver extract sa mga Gilts
and Junior Boars kahit na ang mga ito ay on-going ang vaccination program para
sa kanila? May natira pa sa ginamit namin noon at kong puede pa ba ito ibigay ?
Salamat


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on February 26, 2009, 11:19:54 PM
yup, vitamins is okay.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: sanico on March 09, 2009, 09:17:18 PM
Hi Doc,
Suppose to be the 2nd heat will be on March 6, (21 days after the 1st heat ), ngunit napa aga
ang dating ng 2nd heat, instead of March 6 nag standing heat ito ng March 4 at dalawa sila sang
ng heat also on Feb 21. Natural lang ba na maaga lumandi at hindi pumatak
sa 21 days ?
At ang isa  na nag 1st heat last Feb13 ay hindi lumandi until now ( 24 days ), mag lalandi pa ba ito
for  2nd heat o may problema na ang gilt ? Ano naman Doc ang silent heater ? Salamat.

it is not normal, wait for march 6  and see if it will heat normally. March 6 would be the normal 2nd heat.

Or its 2nd heat could be March 14 assuming that Feb 21 is its "true heat".

It seldom happen but it do occurs sometimes in animal after its heat period it will show another sign of heat 9-11 days after its heat period, this is pseudoheat.

Stick with the 21 day cycle whether it will fall on march 6 or march 14 it will be considered as 2nd heat pa rin.

Don't adjust the vaccination.





Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on March 09, 2009, 11:29:34 PM
21 days is the usual but like in human being there are times na napapaaga and nalalate.

24 days, it is possible that it would heat.

Silent heater are animal that are in heat  but there are almost no physical evidence that it is in heat.
THe only way to find out that it is in heat is when you apply back pressure. If the animal will not move then it means the animal is in heat and it will accept a boar.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: sanico on March 10, 2009, 02:54:14 PM
Hi Doc,
We notice today that the teats of the gilt, ( the one that did not come to 2nd heat until now on 24th day), become
13 only and the other one did not protrude or lumabas katulad ng iba, umurong  ito paloob instead na palabas.
Magandang po bang gagawing  inahin ito kapag 13 teats na lang ?
Salamat.

Hi Doc,
Suppose to be the 2nd heat will be on March 6, (21 days after the 1st heat ), ngunit napa aga
ang dating ng 2nd heat, instead of March 6 nag standing heat ito ng March 4 at dalawa sila sang
ng heat also on Feb 21. Natural lang ba na maaga lumandi at hindi pumatak
sa 21 days ?
At ang isa  na nag 1st heat last Feb13 ay hindi lumandi until now ( 24 days ), mag lalandi pa ba ito
for  2nd heat o may problema na ang gilt ? Ano naman Doc ang silent heater ? Salamat.

it is not normal, wait for march 6  and see if it will heat normally. March 6 would be the normal 2nd heat.

Or its 2nd heat could be March 14 assuming that Feb 21 is its "true heat".

It seldom happen but it do occurs sometimes in animal after its heat period it will show another sign of heat 9-11 days after its heat period, this is pseudoheat.

Stick with the 21 day cycle whether it will fall on march 6 or march 14 it will be considered as 2nd heat pa rin.

Don't adjust the vaccination.





Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: sanico on January 25, 2010, 07:57:56 PM
Hi Doc Nemo,
 Doc, one of our gilt that was breed last 1/1/10 at today it is the 24th day after breeding
and we notice that there is a sticky gel na lumulabas sa puerta nito. Hindi naman ito nag
reheat after 17 to 21 days. Kung backflow ito, di ba dapat white creamy discharges ito ?
First time kami nakakita at encounter ng ganito. Ano kaya ang sticky gel na ito na parang condesed milk ?
Thank you,Doc.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on January 25, 2010, 09:50:28 PM
possible nabackflow p rin ito.

Yun pagiging iba ng kulay kung minsan due to mild infection na lang at the same time Considered na foreign kasi ang sperm kaya inaatack siya ng antibodies etc ng inahing baboy. at yun ibang kulay nito ay dahil may kasamang pus etc..


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: erwinph on January 28, 2010, 11:15:21 PM
ano po ba yung backflow? first time ko lang pong magbreed, and i noticed na may lumabas din na creamy and sticky substance galing sa sow gaya ng description above. medyo namula rin yun ari ng sow kaya hindi ko sure kung nagreheat ba ito. nangyari po ito 14 days after breeding. ano po kaya ang ibig sabihin noon?

by the way, try ko rin ipabulog ulit yung sow yesterday dahil ang isip ko nga nagreheat ito kasi medyo namula nga yung ari. pero ngbubulugin na sya, ayaw nyang magpasampa sa barako at parang nasasaktan kapag ipinapasok yung ari ng barako. itinigil na po namin ipabulog after 2 failed attempts. sign din po kaya yun na posibleng pregnant na yung sow kaya ayaw na nyang magpasampa? kung pregnant na ito, ano kaya maging epekto ng pagsubok namin na ipabulog sya ulit?

wala po ako talaga idea kaya i will really appreciate lahat ng tulong at payo nyo. salamat po ng marami in advance.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on January 30, 2010, 10:42:29 PM
yun reheat po kasi usually 21 days after mabulog. yun nakita nyo mas mataas na kasama na dyan yun backflow but it is not a sign of reheat.

Kung sa tanong mo na buntis na siya hindi pa rin assured . Usually kasi you need to observe sa 21 and 42 days kung mareheat siya. kung hindi most likely buntis na siya.  I use the word most likely kasi may case na hindi nagreheat but hindi din buntis, although konti lang yun nagkakaganito.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: erwinph on February 02, 2010, 12:38:00 AM
yun reheat po kasi usually 21 days after mabulog. yun nakita nyo mas mataas na kasama na dyan yun backflow but it is not a sign of reheat.

Kung sa tanong mo na buntis na siya hindi pa rin assured . Usually kasi you need to observe sa 21 and 42 days kung mareheat siya. kung hindi most likely buntis na siya.  I use the word most likely kasi may case na hindi nagreheat but hindi din buntis, although konti lang yun nagkakaganito.


maraming salamat po.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: thorn_edz on February 04, 2010, 10:42:52 AM
gud am doc,
 pwde po ba hingi advice kng ano ang maganda n lahi na gilts.... i have a plan to buy gilts i dont have an idea whats the exact breed ...thx doc


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: Kurt on February 11, 2010, 08:51:45 PM
Doc,
Inquiry na din po para sa akin na baguhan sa pagpili ng inahin...
May isa akong gilt na parang kulay peitrain yata...pero maliit lng iyong ari niya..

Ano nga ba ang maaring problema nito kung manganganak na?
Minsan hindi ko mapansin kung naglalandi na ba.

Salamat po,

carlo


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on February 13, 2010, 07:16:29 PM
gud am doc,
 pwde po ba hingi advice kng ano ang maganda n lahi na gilts.... i have a plan to buy gilts i dont have an idea whats the exact breed ...thx doc

Choose ka nalang between landrace and largewhite. As long as galing itong reputable company then mataas ang chance na maganda performance nito.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: Kurt on February 15, 2010, 11:01:04 AM
Okay...mabuti at nandito ang forum na ito,,at least alam mo kung ano ang dapat..
Sa ngayon kasi, basta medyo maganda yong appearance ng female at maraming ang teats gawinng inahin kaagag..he..he..sophomore pa talaga..

Thanks,



Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: thorn_edz on February 15, 2010, 11:03:29 AM
doc ok lng b khit AI ang ina nla whats the different between AI and boar..... kc ung pinuntahan ko n piggery AI ang gmit nla tpos nkta ko s mga alga nla 5 - 7 lng ang anak tapos maliit... d po ba pangit ang lbas pag breeding n ganun?


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: ALEXGARCI on February 17, 2010, 01:53:30 PM
doc

    ang isang gilt ko
         -  mainit ang buong katawan,
         - hinihingal
         - d mahawakan dahil sumisigaw,
         - mahina ang paglakad nya....
   
    ano po ang nangyari dito?


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on February 18, 2010, 08:00:17 PM
doc ok lng b khit AI ang ina nla whats the different between AI and boar..... kc ung pinuntahan ko n piggery AI ang gmit nla tpos nkta ko s mga alga nla 5 - 7 lng ang anak tapos maliit... d po ba pangit ang lbas pag breeding n ganun?

ang magandang dami is 10-12 kung 5-7 lang pangit po ito.
it could go both ways pwedeng ang may problem ay boar or  inahin.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on February 18, 2010, 08:22:21 PM
doc

    ang isang gilt ko
         -  mainit ang buong katawan,
         - hinihingal
         - d mahawakan dahil sumisigaw,
         - mahina ang paglakad nya....
   
    ano po ang nangyari dito?

You need to call a vet. If sumisigaw siya kapag hinahawakan baka meron neurologic infection na involved. Better asked a vet para mavisit ang kanilang alaga at mabigyan ng proper medication.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: evjenov on September 17, 2010, 09:05:28 PM
doc,
meron akong 3 gilts they were born february 4,6 and 8 ,2010, pero hangang ngayon september 17 na wala pang naglalandi kahit isa sa kanila. ano po kaya ang dahilan? what shall i do. pero sinabihan ko na ang misis ko na bigyanlang sila ng tig 400 grms per feed starting this morning. inject ko po ba ang isa sa kanila ng gonadin?
maraming salamat doc


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on September 18, 2010, 09:07:01 PM
stress na lang po nila then paligawan nila sa barako. So far medyo bata naman kung tutuusin ang kanilang gilt.
Wag po muna nilang inject ng gonadin, mas maganda kasi na sa unang pagbubuntis ng animal hindi po sila pilit or yun nasaksakan ng gamot tulad ng gonadin.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: evjenov on September 18, 2010, 11:43:12 PM
stress na lang po nila then paligawan nila sa barako. So far medyo bata naman kung tutuusin ang kanilang gilt.
Wag po muna nilang inject ng gonadin, mas maganda kasi na sa unang pagbubuntis ng animal hindi po sila pilit or yun nasaksakan ng gamot tulad ng gonadin.
ok po doc maraming salamat sa advice


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: rowell on September 19, 2010, 07:39:46 PM
doc advise naman po, ble may iniwan po akong  gagawin kong gilts dun sa mga fatteners ko galing naman din po sa reputable farm, ble may isa po na maganda ang body structure, 7 sets of well spaced teats at kita po na sturdy ang mga legs nia kso lang medyo makapal ang balahibo nya,,, maganda po bang gwing gilt yun? wala po bang masamang effect/outcome kung gawin ko syang gilt? salamat po....


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on September 19, 2010, 10:45:56 PM
Naging mabilis po ba ang paglaki nung baboy at hindi naging sakitin beside sa makapal ang balahibo?

Kung mabilis at hindi naging sakitin then continue mo as gilt .


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: rowell on September 20, 2010, 01:48:39 PM
Naging mabilis po ba ang paglaki nung baboy at hindi naging sakitin beside sa makapal ang balahibo?

Kung mabilis at hindi naging sakitin then continue mo as gilt .

 
mabilis naman po doc tsaka sa pagkakatanda ko eh hindi naman po sya nagkasakit mula nung binili ko po sya nung biik pa lang....cge po doc salamat po sa advise...


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: evjenov on September 30, 2010, 07:03:26 AM
stress na lang po nila then paligawan nila sa barako. So far medyo bata naman kung tutuusin ang kanilang gilt.
Wag po muna nilang inject ng gonadin, mas maganda kasi na sa unang pagbubuntis ng animal hindi po sila pilit or yun nasaksakan ng gamot tulad ng gonadin.
ok po doc maraming salamat sa advice
doc wala pa rin eh  di ko na sila pinakain ng tama  para ma stress sa nxt month bali 8 months na sila, pano yan doc reklamo ko na sa kinuhanan ko? papalitan kaya nila doc? ok pa rin po ba na mag 1st heat pagka 8 months na sila baka aabot na sa 9 months pag pina AI ko sila dahil aantayin ko pang mag 2nd heat. sana matulungan nio ko doc maraming salamat


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: rowell on October 24, 2010, 06:42:32 AM
gud day doc... tnung ko lng po kasi po yung may isa po akong gilt bale expected third heat nia this nov 3, maganda po yung body structure, feet,tsaka mga teats nya prominent naman, ang nanotice ko lang po eh d ganun kalaki yung ari nya compared to the other gilts i saw,, my bad effect po ba to when she will give birth? salamat po....


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on October 26, 2010, 05:40:11 PM

doc wala pa rin eh  di ko na sila pinakain ng tama  para ma stress sa nxt month bali 8 months na sila, pano yan doc reklamo ko na sa kinuhanan ko? papalitan kaya nila doc? ok pa rin po ba na mag 1st heat pagka 8 months na sila baka aabot na sa 9 months pag pina AI ko sila dahil aantayin ko pang mag 2nd heat. sana matulungan nio ko doc maraming salamat

sorry late ko na nakita ito.. ano po bang nangyari dito. sa dami din po kasing nagpopost yun iba nalalaktawan ko na.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: evjenov on October 27, 2010, 07:52:49 AM

doc wala pa rin eh  di ko na sila pinakain ng tama  para ma stress sa nxt month bali 8 months na sila, pano yan doc reklamo ko na sa kinuhanan ko? papalitan kaya nila doc? ok pa rin po ba na mag 1st heat pagka 8 months na sila baka aabot na sa 9 months pag pina AI ko sila dahil aantayin ko pang mag 2nd heat. sana matulungan nio ko doc maraming salamat

sorry late ko na nakita ito.. ano po bang nangyari dito. sa dami din po kasing nagpopost yun iba nalalaktawan ko na.

nakargahan ko na ho yong isa sir kaso parang hindi convense sido yong nag AI mukhang di pa daw standing heat nong kargahan nia sir taka namn ako bat nia kinargahan kong di siya sure? yong isa nman namula na ang vulva kahapon yong isa mga within 3 days mga second heat palang nila pero pakakargahan ko na. salamt sir sa response doc thank you


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: rowell on October 27, 2010, 05:39:29 PM
gud day doc... tnung ko lng po kasi po yung may isa po akong gilt bale expected third heat nia this nov 3, maganda po yung body structure, feet,tsaka mga teats nya prominent naman, ang nanotice ko lang po eh d ganun kalaki yung ari nya compared to the other gilts i saw,, my bad effect po ba to when she will give birth? salamat po....


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on October 27, 2010, 07:20:01 PM
In theory po kasi pag manganganak ang animal mag stretch yan... so bihira po yun napipilasan kapag nanganak na sila...

Ang magiging problem lang is kung malaki anak mahihirapan siya kung hind magstretch ng maayos ang vagina nun animal.  Pero konti lang naman case na ganito..


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: rowell on October 28, 2010, 11:23:07 AM
In theory po kasi pag manganganak ang animal mag stretch yan... so bihira po yun napipilasan kapag nanganak na sila...

Ang magiging problem lang is kung malaki anak mahihirapan siya kung hind magstretch ng maayos ang vagina nun animal.  Pero konti lang naman case na ganito..


ah ganun po ba doc? kasi im planning na ibenta nalang po sana bka kasi d pwedeng gwing inahin kasi maliit ang ari,,, salamat po sa advice nyu and more power!!!!


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: rowell on November 08, 2010, 08:55:00 AM
GUD DAY DOC!!! ask ko lang po doc nemo kung possible din bang mabuntis yung gilt na na AI khit dpa nya standing heat? kasi ung gilt ko eh na Ai 2nd day ng paglalandi nya bale yung vet pumunta ng umaga at tsinek nya kung pwede na i AI at sabi balik xa ng hapon kasi pwede na raw,, actually dpa ganun tlga kapula yung ari nya daw that tym at nung sinusumpitan na sya eh medyo resistant pa sya that time... The following day po eh na notice ko na walang gana yung gilt at talagang pulang pula na yung ari nya,, i even did some back pressure on here ang she stand still,, i called my vet and told him that i think today is her standing heat and my vet just told me its ok lang daw pareho lang daw yun,,, its her 5th day na paglalandi at nanonotice ko na unti unti ng lumiliit yung ari nya at dna ganun kapula,,, ang tanung ko doc may chance ba pwedeng magbuntis yung gilt ko although na AI sya na hindi pa nya standing heat? Thanks doc and more power!!!!


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on November 08, 2010, 07:07:28 PM
Yes possible po siyang mabuntis pa. Ang life kasi ng sperm would last 24-48 hours.  Although, it is a matter kung ilang ang mafefertilize .

Possible lang na magrepeat heat siya if konti ang mafertilize na egg.

So, check for 21 and 42 days nila kung magrereturn heat ang animal.


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: rowell on November 09, 2010, 07:36:04 AM
Yes possible po siyang mabuntis pa. Ang life kasi ng sperm would last 24-48 hours.  Although, it is a matter kung ilang ang mafefertilize .

Possible lang na magrepeat heat siya if konti ang mafertilize na egg.

So, check for 21 and 42 days nila kung magrereturn heat ang animal.


thanks doc!!! sana eh mabuntis na para d naman sayang yung span mo time ng paghihintay at ung pakain,,hehehe,, thanks again doc


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: cutienicole on November 11, 2010, 06:02:52 PM
GOOD DAY PO DOC!8 months na po nung Nov.6 ung gilt ko di pa po naggagandi.Sinubukan ko pong i stress 3 days 1.5 kg po maghapon binibigay ko ng feeds then limited na water.Nung 4th day po nakita ko nag lulugon na siya.bakit po kaya?Matatagalan po kaya siya bago mag gandi?Ano po ba dapat kung gawin medyo naiinip napo kasi ako na maggandi ung gilt ko. :)


Title: Re: GILTS
Post by: nemo on November 12, 2010, 09:13:52 PM
yun lugon malamang related na stress niya.
Try to give hormone na like gonadin, ovarmone,  para maglandi siya,