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Title: hog contract growing
Post by: gemmadiel on November 12, 2007, 11:09:11 AM
We are planning to start a piggery here in Negros Occidental on a contract growing scheme. Please help where i can contact company/s who are into this kind of scheme.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 12, 2007, 02:34:39 PM
Greetings!

I have emailed you the email address of lalaine. I think their company is into this system.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mikey on November 12, 2007, 04:01:34 PM
Doc, I think Negros Occidental is planning on building a large hog processing plant,red this some time back,they wish to start exporting pork.
Contract may not be so bad,at least one would know the prices one could expect to receive from their stock,better able to plan and manage the operating expensives,might be a future in contract hog farming.
Good Day                        mikey


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 12, 2007, 05:40:32 PM
The visayas area is now becoming a hog haven. If i am not mistaking currently Cebu has the highest population of pigs now.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mikey on November 13, 2007, 03:11:42 AM
Doc, Region 7 was always known as the bread belt of the Philippines.Have been told alot of the stock is shipped to Manila to feed the people there from Cebu,for us the key is transportation.Good Farming Boys and Girls.
mikey


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 13, 2007, 10:55:42 AM
Just keep on farming ang manila will keep on buying. ;D


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 13, 2007, 09:49:27 PM
second largest hog industry in the philippines is located in gensan. 1st is bulacan


hog contract growing hmmmmmmmm  paano ka kikita kung controlado ang feeds mo ng contartor number one problem mo dyan nutritional requirement ng baboy na me meet ba what if ayaw ng contractor kumita ka ng malaki . marami ako nakilala monterey contract grower lahat sila nag rereklamo.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mikey on November 14, 2007, 02:43:52 AM
I have red about the major problem being the high cost of feeds,some of the big boys are out of the bus. due to high operation cost(s).Profit margins are always smaller while your operation expensives climb.Sometimes one walks a very fine line.
mikey


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 14, 2007, 05:58:29 AM
kung talaga maganda ang contract growing bakit pa nila ipa contrata sa iyo yan ??????   kaya gusto nila mag contract grower ka para ikaw mismo ang pagkakitaan nila.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 14, 2007, 11:18:52 AM
Contract growing is a marketing and financial strategy.

Marketing in a sense that they need a steady supply of product and promote their company as a premium supplier of hogs.

Financial in a sense that rather than hire people to work for them as laborer and pay premiums like SSS, philhealth etc they will just use contract growing system.

Same as poultry not all will succeed with contract growing. One friend of mine say that in poultry contract growing sometimes they loss 2 harvest and break even in another 2 and earn in 1 harvest. There are times that year end they earn.

IT's the same with franchising it is not a sure game that you will earn if you franchise their tried and tested product.

I'm not saying that contract growing is not a good investment.
Just want to remind you that livestock is not an easy business to deal with but once you have mastered it, it is very rewarding.
You will just sit like a king and monitor your farm ;D


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 14, 2007, 12:09:11 PM
i have two fren who engage on hog contract grower. one is a vet and the other one biznizman. closed na sila in just 1 year. monterey yan. matagal daw lumaki ang baboy tapos mataba pa.  :-(


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 14, 2007, 12:51:41 PM
No offense sa vet friend, but contract growing cost around 3 million according to one poster here. If i have that kind of money and i am a vet then i would just build  my own farm. Ako pa boss ng sarili kong farm.

They should contest it with monterey especially if the vet incharged with them could/will validate that the hogs are slow growers.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 14, 2007, 05:41:40 PM
the vet just rent a vacant piggery. maraming palusot ang  contractor. kapag naka sign ka na parang carabao ka na nila hehehehehehehehehehehe


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 14, 2007, 08:01:25 PM
Now i know why he opted for contract growing.

He still lacks land.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mikey on November 14, 2007, 08:31:46 PM
Doc,on the second thought,will just stay a independant  producer, we own our land,are our own boss,we are the investors,our money,our way.
The glass is half full.
Good Day Doc.                      mikey INDEPENDANT PRODUCER


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 15, 2007, 01:37:06 AM
Be the boss, feed the world!


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: lalaine on November 15, 2007, 07:19:30 PM
it depends upon the company and how the people in that company treat the partners. i'm not saying this because our company is into contract growing and contract breeding. we know how to take care of our partners. we've just started and so far, our partners are satisfied naman (they say). we're trying our best not to commit the same mistakes of the other companies. we studied their flaws already. sometimes, the people in the farm also are the problem especially if they do not care enough. with regards to the building,  we are flexible naman. if you have an existing farm building, we will still use them. we will suggest for improvements if need be. but we will not impose that you do it right away.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 15, 2007, 11:32:48 PM
Hello mam lalaine,

Good to hear that your contract grower is flexible in terms of housing.

This what pointed out sa isang post that it would cost him a leg if he follow the housing requirement.

Mam do you have a model contract grower that people  can contact for a simple chat etc para maenganyo sila sa contract growing?


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 16, 2007, 07:05:44 PM
it depends upon the company and how the people in that company treat the partners. i'm not saying this because our company is into contract growing and contract breeding. we know how to take care of our partners. we've just started and so far, our partners are satisfied naman (they say). we're trying our best not to commit the same mistakes of the other companies. we studied their flaws already. sometimes, the people in the farm also are the problem especially if they do not care enough. with regards to the building,  we are flexible naman. if you have an existing farm building, we will still use them. we will suggest for improvements if need be. but we will not impose that you do it right away.


are you the owner of the company? and what company name?


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 17, 2007, 09:50:40 AM
Mam Lalaine is conected with a company that is into broiler and swine contract growing.  I invited her to post here because i have been receiving emails regarding contract growing from people who goes to this forum.

I could say that their company has a proven track record in terms of contract growing  especially in broiler.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: lalaine on November 18, 2007, 05:01:46 PM
hi doc nemo!

i've been busy these past few days. we've been going around davao province for site inspections of the farms of  interested growers and breeders. that's why i wasn't able to post a message here.

i'll talk to one of our growers re: your request.

doc, would like to ask assistance if you have a list of pig truckers in the visayas region. would appreciate very much if anyone who reads this can help me. i'm in charge of logistics in our company, Bounty Agro Ventures, Inc.

Thanks...


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: ofw_cebu on November 18, 2007, 05:11:58 PM
hi lalaine,

could you give me details as regards to contract growing.  I am planning to venture into this type of business.  thanks...


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 18, 2007, 11:29:34 PM
Gud day mam lalaine,

Pigtrucker/biyahero?  If that is what you mean i do not have a contact.

Actually biyahero's is one of  the main problem of this industry.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mr hog on November 19, 2007, 05:27:12 AM
Hi doc could you please explain whats a biyahero?It sounds like a supper hero from the kids shows lol.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: lalaine on November 19, 2007, 10:58:07 AM
hi doc nemo!

what we need po are pig haulers that will serve as our contract truckers who will deliver our pigs to the farms and also feed haulers.

maybe some of your readers can recommend. would be a big help for us.

thanks.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: lalaine on November 19, 2007, 11:04:11 AM
hi ofw_cebu!

may i have your email address?

thanks


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: ofw_cebu on November 19, 2007, 01:31:40 PM
hi ofw_cebu!

may i have your email address?

thanks

sent you a pm.  Thanks


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mikey on November 19, 2007, 04:14:59 PM
Lalaine: try Dumageute City,Negros Oriental,was told about a trucking company that specialized in live animal hauling,sorry do not have the name of the company.May be one would have to look under trucking for that city.Good Luck
Proud Independant Region 7
mikey


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 19, 2007, 08:36:36 PM
bounty agro. kilala mo ba sila alzona?


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 19, 2007, 10:05:03 PM
Hi doc could you please explain whats a biyahero?It sounds like a supper hero from the kids shows lol.

Biyahero= middleman (could be hogs, vegetable etc.)

Biyahe= means to transport
biyahero= means person who transport.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 24, 2007, 05:37:54 AM
@lalaine



how much a contract grower earn per head ?  in your company 


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mr hog on November 24, 2007, 10:26:14 AM
I just cant see how you can make much profit on cotract growing.When your the owner of your own farm and  cant make a good profit with the feed cost how they are?Why would you want sombody else to make a profit off you?It already tuff enough is it not?I can only see it would be a great advantage if they pay for all the feeds and build all the sow cages and fatteners cages.So please explain to me why sombody would like to do contract in hog raising?


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mikey on November 24, 2007, 11:57:54 AM
Mr Hog,I think correct me if I am wrong,under contact growing,the company buys your stock from you at a set price,must mean they have slaughter plants and retail stores to sell the product.They claim to offer you some free vet care,the feed end of it,am sure they own their own milling plants that supply feeds to all their contract operators.As with all contracts there would be strict limitations as,number(s) produced on a steady bases,housing,foundation stock,may be even location.There would be alot of fine print,you know what I mean.Am sure it is a production line operation system.
Good Farming:mikey


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 25, 2007, 01:00:36 AM
In contract growing the company provides the feed, vet support, the animal.

Manpower, electricity and medicine shall be your responsibility.

They will pay you a certain amount but you have to meet their requirement, weight and fcr of the animal.

If you have exceeded the target they will pay additional.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mr hog on November 25, 2007, 01:23:05 AM
Hi doc do you recommend this contract growing?


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 25, 2007, 01:59:17 AM
If your area has very limited middle man/biyahero or liveweight price always so low then i would say it is a good alternative.

WHY?

Instead of using 100% of your money for feed, medicine, animal stocks you only need to us around 30%

Less risk, isn't it?

But always remember that it is a business and there is no guarantee that you will succeed.

And always read the contract. If there are things that you think unachievable then do not sign.

In bulacan back around 2003 i have heard of a small company that provide contract growing. In their system they will provide medicine, feeds, animal. Your responsibility is just to take care of the animal. the target weight is 80 kgs. You will not be liable if some of the animal die as long as you have to contact the vet in charge and wait for the vet to do its ocular inspection of the animal. They will pay you 200 pesos per animal and if you exceeded 85 kgs an additional pay is given.  If you did not reach your target of 80 kgs. they will not pay you.

In the system above it is a win-win for the farmer.  almost 0% investment (excluding building). They don't need to worry about disease because it is the responsibilty of the vet.  And most of all there is no penalty if they did not reach the target weight.

But if you do not reach your target chances that they will renew your contract is very small.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 25, 2007, 02:06:36 AM
Not all company have the same protocol/ agreement style.  So read carefully the contract/agreement before signing.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: genie_ps on November 25, 2007, 06:16:23 AM
Not all company have the same protocol/ agreement style.  So read carefully the contract/agreement before signing.

Worse thing, if you fail to reach the agreed F.C.R. (Feed Convertion Rate), you have to pay penalty instead.  So that would even mean, you paying them instead of them paying you.  That's my true experience with poultry contract growing that's why I had to resort to piggery.   


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: mr hog on November 25, 2007, 09:39:09 AM
Thankx genie much needed info about this contract growing to good to be true?


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 25, 2007, 11:53:49 AM
Not all company have the same protocol/ agreement style.  So read carefully the contract/agreement before signing.

Worse thing, if you fail to reach the agreed F.C.R. (Feed Convertion Rate), you have to pay penalty instead.  So that would even mean, you paying them instead of them paying you.  That's my true experience with poultry contract growing that's why I had to resort to piggery.   


that's number one problem FCR. what if they gave you LOW DENSE feeds. i have frens who has contract with monterey (pig) , swift , magnolia , vitarich and etc..... (chicken). they say they dont have control on feeds and they dont know what the ingredient of the feeds.


last 3 months monterey slaugther personnel told me that there pig (contract grower produce) are FAT compare to other commercial hog farmer pig.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: nemo on November 26, 2007, 06:28:28 PM
last 3 months monterey slaugther personnel told me that there pig (contract grower produce) are FAT compare to other commercial hog farmer pig.

Maybe the hogs that are being sold to different supermarket are from monteray farm and the ones from contract growers are used in canned product.

If the animal is fat then it is good for their canned products the more fat the more tasty it could be.


Title: Re: hog contract growing
Post by: Slyfox on November 26, 2007, 07:34:04 PM
yes fat pig goes to Purefoods but monterey is a seperate division of san miguel.purefoods is not buying pig from monterey.