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Re: Alternative Feeds.
« Reply #105 on: October 17, 2014, 12:38:17 PM »
Gud day po doc..baguhan palang poh aq dito sa pag aalaga nang baboy..ASK ko lang po kung nakatutulong po ba ang pagpapakain nang kangkong sa baboy after pakainin nang comercial feeds?salamat ;D ;D ;D


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« Reply #106 on: October 20, 2014, 07:49:59 PM »
nakakadagdag sa nutrisyon ng baboy ito , although medyo maliit lng over all effect nito sa pag laki
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« Reply #107 on: January 24, 2015, 04:26:20 AM »


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« Reply #108 on: April 23, 2015, 11:17:20 AM »
doc nemo,

whats your take on Feed Concentrates?(nutriscience)

I tried mixing my own feeds using the said ingredient, costing would probably result to around 10-15% savings per sack compared to commercial feeds.

I still have a small sample size, so i couldn't tell if there was a difference in ADG of Hogs or their FCR.

another is, assuming we use all of our ingredients from raw materials(meaning no concentrates whatsoever) will there be a significant difference in cost/savings? But then again you have to take into account not just the price/kg of producing one's feed, but also the FCR of the said produced feed.

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« Reply #109 on: May 02, 2015, 09:41:43 PM »
ang nagiging isyu lang naman sa feed concentrate is  yun hinahalo kasi na raw mats need pa lutuin, yun iba di na nagluluto kaso pwede ito maging source ng worm infestation.
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« Reply #110 on: June 22, 2015, 09:43:06 AM »
Magandang Araw Doc Nemo,

Ano po ba ang mas maganda, wet or dry feeding?
At sa anong stage po ng pagbababuyan magandang gawin ang mga ito?
At proseso na rin po ng pag-gawa?

Ask ko lang po etong tungkol sa feeding na binabalak ko.
Aug 1st week po ay mag-start na po ang aming farm na kumuha ng 15 na biik for fattening.
Yung 12 po dito ang balak ko po is sundin ang feeding requirement ng bibilhan namin ng feeds.
Yun pong 3 is balak ko pong pag ekperimentuhang bigyan ng 40% azzola and 60% com feeds.
Ano po ang masasabi nyo dito? At meron po ba kayong ma issuggest na preparasyon ukol dito? Nakakita po ako sa Facebook na nifferment nila ito pero hindi ni-share kung gaano katagal at ano ang ratio.
Wala pong nagsshare ng eksaktong magandang gawin ukol dito, pero ang plano ko po pagkakuha ng biik gawing gradual ang pagpapakain ng azzola sa mga biik.
Ang akin pong naisip is, sa unang 5 days ng biik sa farm wala po munang azzola na ihahalo, after 5days ulit hahaluan lamang po ito ng 10% azzola, sa susunod na 5days gagawin po itong 20% at sa susunod is 30% at sa susunod hangng finisher is 40%.

Marami pong salamat!
Maitanong ko na rin po, taga san kayo doc?

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« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2015, 07:17:48 PM »
greetings!

try po nila itong suggestion na ito:

Collect Azolla from the propagation pond. Make sure the Azolla is free from soil and other debris by thoroughly washing it. Do not use Azolla which has been exposed to pesticides.


Collect Azolla from the propagation pond
2. Place the harvested Azolla in net begs or sacks and allow to drip for 2-3 hours.


Place the harvested Azolla in net begs
3. Transfer the dried Azolla to the trays to allow further drying and to provide good ventilation. Spread out the Azolla end turn over 2-3 times a day for even drying.


Transfer the dried Azolla to the trays
Azolla is dried from a moisture content of 95% to 65-70%*. Drying takes about 2 days during sunny weather and 3 days in cloudy weather.
TWO AZOLLA SILAGE FORMULATIONS:


Sillage 1
• Sillage 1 - 70% Azolla + 30% corn
Mix 1 kerosene can (balde) of dried Azolla, with 4 1/2 motor oil cans of corn. Place the mixture in a pail. (If possible, use plastic pails for storing ensiled Azolla. Pails made of tin will rust.) Use plastic sheets to cover the pails and rubber strips to tightly seal the container and keep oxygen out. Let the mixture ferment for at least 1 week.
• Silage 2 - 70% Azolla + 25% corn + 5% molasses


Silage 2
Mix 1 kerosene can of dried Azolla, with 4 motor oil cans of corn. Add 1/3 motor oil can of molasses. Follow the same succeeding procedures as in Silage.
Note: If corn is not available, other carbohydrate sources like rice bran. cassava meal, etc., can be used.
It is recommended that each pail of ensiled Azolla be enough for one feeding to minimize oxygen combining with the mixture when the cover is removed. Oxygen must be kept out to prevent the growth of mold and worms (maggots) in the mixture.
When, the Azolla silage is fed to growing pigs, it may be added to mixed grower ration (MUIR) or commercial grower mix (CGM)
Ensiled Azolla can be stored up to 2 months without affecting the nutritive value of the feedstuff, as long as the container is kept sealed. Once opened, the silage must be consumed within a week.

Amounts needed at 25 percent Azolla silage supplementation
Weight of Growing Pigs (kg)    Amount of Azolla Silage (kg)    Amount of MGR CGM (kg)
20 - 35                            1.50 - 1.80                                     1.00
36 - 50                            2.00 - 2.50                                      1.50
51 - 60                            2.50 - 3.00                                        2.00

Amounts needed at 10 percent Azolla silage supplementation
Weight of Growing Pigs (kg)    Amount of Azolla Silage (kg)    Amount of MGR CGM (kg)
20 - 35                                    0.50 - 0.80                       1.40
36 - 50                                      1.00                                       1.80
51 -60                                    1.00                                     2.25
SOURCE: National Azolla Action Program c/o Office of the Dean UPLB College of Agriculture

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Re: Alternative Feeds.
« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2015, 01:05:11 PM »
Hi Doc Nemo,

Marami pong salamat!

Pag-aralan ko po ito and isshare ko rin po ang magiging resulta ng gagawin ko once na nakapagsimula na po ako.

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« Reply #113 on: July 10, 2015, 03:46:15 PM »
Magandang Araw Doc Nemo,

Maitanong ko lang po, baka ma-kapag advice kayo dito.
Ang nakikita ko lang na madalas na fineferment na feeds ay ang feeds ng feedpro.
At sa lugar po namin, Excel feeds po ang may pinaka magandang supply at support kaya po malamang sa kanila po kami kukuha.

Maaari po kayang mag wet feeding pa rin po dito?
Pelletize po kasi ang feeds nila, may effect po ba ito?

Marami pong salamat!

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Re: Alternative Feeds.
« Reply #114 on: July 10, 2015, 05:54:22 PM »
any feeds pwede iferment. and ala po bearing kung pellet or mash siya pwede mo naman ito durigin kapag basa na siya then saka mo siya iferment.
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« Reply #115 on: July 30, 2015, 04:27:56 PM »
(I don't know enough about what's localy available in the different regions.)
A HINT for judging what can be alternative feeds:
Pigs are very similar to people   :)   concerning what's HEALTHY food. (That's why I realy DOUBT using chicken fertilizer.) But DON'T follow what most people EAT, because most people don't eat healthy   :)    (For instance rice bran and brown rice are MUCH healthier than white rice, which is unhealthy. And don't give them fried food   :)    There are several plants counted as WEED, but are HEALTHY. For instance dandilion leaves (young, the old taste bad). They have BETTER nutrision than common legumes.

So concerning pigs ment to live LONG time for breeding, nutrision information for humans can give much interesting information. Some simplified we can almost think "If it's good for humans - then it's good for pigs". And the opposite too   ;D   
Similar as humans, pigs need some different food depending of AGE.
As for people it's better to have some change in what's eating, BUT don't make biger changes fast, because the stomach can need some time to adjust.

For Pigs ment to live short time just for fatening, we don't need to think what's healthy LONG turm, but feed to get a good imune system. Then no/less meds are needed.

For instance garlic and ginger are good for the health, so eating SOME such are good, but not to much. Garlic can even replace some commersial meds at bacterial illnesses, then eating some MORE are a cure.  Don't worry if more garlic make the stool some lose, because it go back to normal a few days after the cure ends.

And I asume pigs, who LIKE their food, grow faster    :)   which is an other reason to switch food SOME sometimes, so they don't get tired of the TASTE.   (Hungry eat "anything", but they grow faster if they want to eat some EXTRA.)
To test what taste and smell they prefer, you can let ALONE pigs CHOSE which bowl they prefer, although SOME are "habbit pigs"  :)  so they will just chose what's they are used to.

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« Reply #116 on: August 03, 2015, 11:14:43 AM »
@Lunkan

So advisable po ba na maghalo ng at least ng once a month ng garlic or ginger on my fermented feeds?


@Doc Nemo,

What is your thought on this? Salamat po.

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Re: Alternative Feeds.
« Reply #117 on: August 03, 2015, 11:31:01 AM »
doc nemo nasubukan nyo na ba yun sinabi nyo na fermented azolla? kumusta naman po yun result o outcome sa baboy?

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« Reply #118 on: August 06, 2015, 07:56:12 PM »
hindi ko po ito nasubukan, yun mga study sa fermentation etc mga independent people po gumawagawa nyan , yun iba ok yun iba hindi mganda result
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