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« Reply #195 on: December 16, 2013, 04:37:51 AM »
Another year comes to an end and a new year will begin.I think with all the new bloodlines that has entered the country as of today some exciting times ahead for the dairy sector while the meat sector seems to have taken a backseat over dairy.Prices for meat goats is still low and some think raising only meat goats might become much more difficult over dairy as many will express that any goat can and does becomes meat goats are some point in time.Different regions will decide for themselves which route to take,dairy over meat or combine both.

There still appears many regions still waiting for something with better genetics to help move forward but it is slow in coming and there may be a need for those who have the ability to bring in bloodlines on their own to help kick start the grading up programs that is much needed.Mustang Sally is willing to help the grading up program for our district and we have chosen a Nubian buckling out of the legion himself,Frosty Marvin,a direct grandson which we feel with his body structure,better boning and having the genetics for milk production is the one future sire that will work better for this district with its sloping and rocky landscape.Sometimes the terrain of the land adds to what is needed for body structure,goats with much more of a solid build to its frame over fragile along with milking abilities.This new buckling should arrive early in the new year.

Would be nice to see over the next five years,less dependance of milk imports and a much more sound domestic market.

Wish all goat producers a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and may your wishes come true.The very best to the coming year for goats Philippines.

Michael & Edi
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« Reply #196 on: January 04, 2014, 03:30:17 AM »
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Testing will begin next week and then shipping to Negros Oriental will follow.This new buckling,Frosty Marvins "Prince George" has some high profile bloodlines in his lineage from Frosty himself and Wingwood Farms along with some 6-M-Galaxy.The hope is, this new bloodline will make changes to body structure over what we already own.

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« Reply #197 on: January 21, 2014, 06:38:07 AM »
Prince George-Big hunk-Frosty Marvin arrived at Dumaguete airport safely and made his long jurney in the truck back to the farm in La Libertad,Negros Oriental.He was teamed up with 2 other kids a month older than himself and they have bonded well and these kids are showing Prince Geroge the ropes as to speak.Goats learn from each other and this helps to settle new goats into your herd as the new goat must position him/herself into your herd structure.

We stopped our Anglo Nubian breeding program back in 2010 due to the unavailable bloodlines needed for changes to this breed but with the added Marvin genetics we feel gains can be made.After the Marvin genetics we will follow up with Goddard Farm genetics to complete our goals.What the Marvin genetics will add to what is needed for us is?Front ends,structure and fore udders but lacking in front legs,feet and rumps and the Goddard genetics will then make up for the weaknesses of the Marvin lines.In this case,complimenting one bloodline with another to make up for any weaknesses in the other line.These better quality Anglos does will then be crossed with out Rocky Run Saanen line to produce better than average Snubians and then further into our goal of our own cross/hybrid line of the RP Genemaxer to take advantage of the tropical climate for a dual purpose goat over anything purebred.We are still years away but the future is brighter today than yesterday.

One of our contacts in South America was telling us that they prefer a Nubian crossed Sannen aka Snubian that is showing the best for a milking goat in a hot climate over anything pure on the Nubian side and the same for Saanen.I have always maintained that for a climate like the Philippines a cross would outperform anything from a purebred line.

We have an opportunity to speak with Dr.Dave Sparks,DVM,vet out of OK,USA who is a well respected and profitable goat meat producer who was asking me how well are the boers doing in the tropics?He was telling me that his research showed anything pure out of a boer line was showing trouble while at the same time a selected boer buck crossed onto Kiko does shows the best for profits when it comes down to goat meat production and the second best cross was between a Spanish doe onto a Boer buck.To me the Spanish breed in America looks close to the Philippine Native breed.This might need more researching and experimenting to see the results but good information to know just the same.

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« Reply #198 on: January 25, 2014, 09:33:25 AM »
The weather is something different.Colder than normal and reports are coming in from the island of Cebu in the mountain regions of cattle,goats,sheep and hogs unable to handle this added stress from the colder weather,now dead.The same reports are coming in from the higher elevationed mountain  areas on Negros Oriental.Animals that are dead or near to death from the cold.It would be wise during this time to make sure your animals are getting enough energy,sources from corn and rice bran can help.For goats this comes in the form from your concentrates.Water might need to be pre warmed and shelter from the weather helps.This is very unusual for the tropics,colder than normal and care must be taken for both human and livestocks.

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« Reply #199 on: February 18, 2014, 01:52:50 AM »
We have been asked and presently asked many times over and over.How well do dairy goats milk in the tropics under the cut and carry system?Really depends on who you are asking.It has crossed my mind many times over and from observations that fresh and wilted forages contain high moisture levels and this seems to us that in some cases this high moisture bulks up the goats but may not really be of the optimal for nutrition that it could be.We have had many suggestions given to us and we are embarking on an experiment that is different from the present feeding practices today under tropical.

We are fortunate to have access to information from the USDA Govt. on Guam and from other more tropical areas of the USA in our quest for a better feed management system.It has always been the long held belief that under tropical,forages have a longer growing season and this would be to the goats advantage under tropical.We are now taking a different approach and wish to see if our new idea will pan out for the better for the industry over its present system.We will begin small trial plots and see where it leads us.We feel that less moisture in the forages should be better over what is practiced now along with new forage groups of feeds.We will see where this leads.

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« Reply #200 on: March 15, 2014, 02:28:01 AM »
We have been in talks with a known dairy goat farm in Hawaii.Interesting to learn that they do feed alfalfa as a secondary feed product,secondary as in alfalfa is imported from the mainland and is needed for good milk production but because of costs is fed in smaller amounts and their goats main feed comes from local forages.All information tells you that alfalfa does not grow in hot climates even in the state of Flordia.We have been given a few ideas to try in the hopes that we may find something that can replace alfalfa.The quest continues for a suitable replacement.

As for Guam,nothing really coming forward in terms of ideas for replacement.Guam is looking for answers from parts of Asia to help boost their industry.Again no alfalfa in Guam and the costs makes it unattracted.Different climates have their own set of problems and finding answers continues.Still my belief that moisture content in forages needs addressing and lowering the moisture contend will help.Water is heavy and bulking up on water does not make for good nutritional values but water is needed for milk production.Catch 22 here.

Frosty Prince George's growth rates are far superior over anything we have seen coming out of the Australian Anglo Nubian lines.There is differences here.

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« Reply #201 on: April 06, 2014, 07:18:57 AM »
The growth rate of this Frosty Marvin Grandson is far superior over anything we have seen out of the Australian lines so far.The next buck will also have some 6-M-Galaxy,6-M is registered in the USA under American not Purebred.Meaning no matter how many times 6-M-Galaxy is bred it will always remain under American never as a Purebreed.The new buck will also have some Kastdemur in its lineage as Kastdemur today no longer breeds Nubians only Lamanchas.A famous line that would be a shame to lose.Should the interest be there from breeders then this line will remain,if not, gone to the wayside.The future new buckling will also have a son of Frosty Marvin,Frosty Baron which means we will be more on the Marvin line than anything else.We will be putting stronger Marvin genetics into our Anglo Nubian does out of Australia for the change from dual to milk.

Still problems in some areas of the country with selection for foundation stocks.The goat roadmap for the provinces is still unequal depending on where you farm.This so called road map might look good on paper but in real life,not looking so good.

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« Reply #202 on: May 04, 2014, 01:17:41 AM »
Our breeder in the Philippines has informed us that a planned breeding between Marvin and Goddard genetics will kid around July 2014 and then we will select which male kid will be shipped to Negros Oriental to Mustang Sally Farm.We already own a Grand Son of Frosty Marvin himself and with the extra Marvin genetics added with Goddard Farm which scores in the top 10 for milkers under ADGA year to year rounds out our planned breeding for our own Mustang Anglo Nubian does.Goddards genetics has a son of Frosty Marvin,Frosty Baron and with a little Canadian connection the old Fra Jac line which was broken up many years back and some Copper Hill genetics on the Goddards side.What the Marvin genetics lack Goddard will make up in aces.

I never really had any plans to get back into Nubians for milk over just breeding ours for meat.Reality shows us that there is no help coming to this part of the rural countryside with help in goat genetics and appears to have been left up to those who can afford to enter this side of breeding.I feel it is somewhat unfair to private businesses to pick up the slack for any/all lack of support from the Govt. side.After 4 years since the first goats arrived under USPL 480 import program from America I find it hard that there appears to be no goats available to help some parts of the countryside.The whole program appears to be sidetracked.

Mustang Sally will produce dairy Nubians that lean heavy on Marvin genetics and in time might be a blessing as the decision for this new line has been planned and planned over just random should show better promise on average outcrossing alone.

I have always been and continue to speak about cross/hybrids as the best choice for dairy under tropical.To adapt to change,nothing like good old hybrid vigor.Our oldest living buck at the farm is a Bo-Ang named Lucky who is around 9 years old,healthy,still has his teeth and still wants to breed.He has out lived purebred male Boers.Hybrid vigor can show longer life extention.The purist will never agree that any cross/hybrid can command prices that the purebreds bring.I think when someone finally produces commercial numbers of high quality dairy cross/hyrids they will be able to ask good prices for the does.The let down is on the male side.On a typical dairy cross/hybrid male they bring in the lowest peso value as they usually get shipped out for meat.Might be possible in time that the breeders will select the better cross/hybrid males and offer them for sale to regions in the countryside who could really benefit from the genetics over what is not available today.I feel that on average,under the village feeding system in the countryside that a good solid cross/hybrid buck/s should perform better than any purebred under the same tougher conditions.

I have in the past had tough wording against dumping unwanted F1s and F2s goats into the countryside as I feared that the major breeders could unload their culls as breeding material over selling at lower prices for meat.Mustang Sally breeds the three way cross for meat and from time to time we see some really nice males come out of this breeding.If selection was really made then as reality has it,these males should be an improvement over what is not present in some regions of the countryside but the key here is based on selection.We have also bred some very nice F2s,Saanen males that would take a very keen eye as to tell the difference over a F4.Selection could be a solution to help bring in the much needed genetics for some areas of the rural provincial countryside.The key is selection.

There has been a lot of really good work going on with goats in the country today and every year progress is gained.It is still a young market and a growing market.Purebreeds and the newer cross/hybrids both have their place in the coming future.

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« Reply #203 on: May 20, 2014, 05:09:10 AM »
As our newest Saanen buckling comes into breeding mode and the fact that his sire was killed in the typhoon and no records on his sire available as he died at a young.We have the only offspring from that line so we must look at his grand sire.WMV Tribesman was out of the McQuitty Farm and leaned more so in the Willow Run genetics.Willow Run well known in the American Saanen world for their show and milking goats.We know Tribesman has a rel. of 59% on average and with a Final Score of 88.6%,almost 89%.His genetics listed in 4 States and in 7 herds with 16 appraisals.This is no lightweight grand sire.We should expect big changes to our Saanen up-grading program in the following years to come.

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ENUSA000001293393  1.43    4       7      10      16

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Final Score     88.6   +0.3   .59
Stature         29.4   +1.4   .73
Strength        27.7   -0.1   .62
Dairyness       34.3   +0.8   .58
Teat diameter   21.0   -0.6   .66
Rear Legs       30.9   +0.8   .56
Rump Angle      35.7   +2.5   .64
Rump Width      31.9   +1.2   .63
Fore Udder Att  34.8   -0.2   .58
Rear Udder Ht   37.3   +0.8   .60
Rear Udder Arch 27.0   +0.1   .54
Udder Depth     34.5   -0.9   .59
Susp Lig        27.2   +0.7   .64
Teat Placement  19.7   -0.7   .65

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« Reply #204 on: June 17, 2014, 09:37:55 AM »

Helping Survival and Fertility Through Cross Breeding Tuesday, May 20, 2014 Cross breeding Holstein cattle can improve conception rates, health and profit margin, and what's more there are numbers to show just exactly by how much. Professor Bradley Heins is a cattle crossbreeding expert with extensive knowledge of organic dairy farming and he has noted the recent trend for producing more robust cows for the parlour. He has stressed the importance of heterosis in increasing profitability and efficiency in both grazed and indoor systems alike. Cross-bred cows were open 17 days less than pure Holsteins in a Penn State trial "In pasture-based seasonal calving systems, failure to become pregnant during the breeding season results in important economic losses as maximum profit is attained by minimizing costs and increasing the proportion of grass in the diet of the lactating dairy cow," says Prof Heins. "For conventional dairy production systems, dairy producers primarily strive to maximize production but are becoming increasingly aware of the economic consequences of sub-optimal cow fertility and survival." Based at the University of Minnesota, Prof Heins has discussed crossbreeding as the dairy producer’s objective to exploit the favorable characteristics of ‘alternative’ breeds, remove the negative effects associated with inbreeding, and capitalize on a phenomenon known as heterosis. A Wealth of Data Recent research results illustrate greater fertility and survival with crossbred cows compared with pure Holstein cows, writes Prof Heins. Doing this uses a range of modern breeds, and within the context of both grass-based and high input confinement production environments. Research conducted in Ireland during the early 2000's concluded that of dairy breeds used for crossbreeding (Normande, Montbéliarde, and Norwegian Red), the Norwegian Red was most suited to seasonal grass-based production because of their advantage for fertility and survival. A follow-up study confirmed a fertility advantage (higher proportion pregnant after the breeding season) with Norwegian Red×Holstein compared with Holstein. Studies conducted in Northern Ireland also found superior fertility performance with Jersey crossbred cows offered low and moderate concentrate diets. In New Zealand, crossbred dairy cattle (primarily Jersey×Holstein) are achieving similar rates of genetic gain for profitability compared to the purebred populations, but creating additional gain derived from economic heterosis. In the United States, analysis of data from California showed higher first-service conception rates for Scandinavian Red×Holstein and Montbéliarde×Holstein compared with Holsteins. The crossbreds also had fewer days open and greater survival. At Penn State University, Brown Swiss×Holstein cows had 17 fewer days open than Holstein cows during first lactation. At the University of Minnesota, Jersey crossbred cows had higher first-service conception rates, fewer days open, and a higher percentage calving a third time compared with Holsteins. The literature clearly illustrates favorable animal performance benefits from crossbreeding, using a range of modern breeds, and within the context of both grass-based and high-input confinement production environments. Recently, my colleagues and I at the University of Minnesota completed a study that evaluated crossbred cows sired by Montbéliarde bulls compared to Holstein cows. We evaluated cows from both the University of Minnesota St. Paul and Morris dairy herds. Data collection was from March 2005 to February 2013, and compared cows during their first five lactations. All crossbred cows had similar 305-day fat plus protein production compared to their Holstein herdmates during first, second, and third and greater lactation (see accompanying table). Notably, the results for production are reported on a 305-day projected basis, which does not necessarily reflect milk produced within a fixed interval of time, because cows that died or left the herd are projected to 305 days. The Montbéliarde×Holstein and Montbéliarde×Jersey/Holstein cows were superior to the Holsteins for fertility across the first five lactations. To put this into perspective, 23 per cent more 3-breed crossbred cows became pregnant after one service than Holsteins, and the crossbred cows were becoming pregnant one to two heat cycles sooner than the Holsteins (fewer days open). The table above also has survival rates for crossbred cows versus Holsteins, and all crossbred groups had higher percentages of cows that calved a third, fourth, and fifth time than Holsteins. The Montbéliarde×Holstein (5.1 per cent) had lower mortality rate than Holstein (17.7 per cent) cows. The results indicate that Holstein cows were two times more likely to die on-farm than Montbeliarde-sired crossbred cows during their lifetimes. Mortality represents a significant loss of income for dairy producers because salvage value is lost, carcass disposal is costly, future production is lost, and heifer replacement costs may not be recovered. Results of this study indicated crossbred cows had similar production to Holsteins, but the crossbred cows had advantages over Holsteins for fertility, survival, and longevity. Advantages for these functional traits will compensate substantially for any potential loss of production of crossbreds compared to Holsteins.

Just something to think about.I know from my purebred boers that my crosses tend to live longer and with less fertility problems overall.

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« Reply #205 on: June 30, 2014, 12:46:36 AM »


P. Jiabi, D. Zegao, C. Taiyong, G. Jiyun

Heifer Project International/China Office, Chengdu, Sichuan 610041, China




The crossbred F1 generation between Boer goats and six local breeds (Chengdu Ma goat, etc.) and

one reared breed (Nanjiang Yellow goat) increases birth weight, four month weight, six month

weight, yearling weight and adult weight by 37.10%, 49.70%, 66.29%, 77.85%, 68.41% for males

and by 41.62%, 47.21%, 60.03%, 61.78%, 67.06% for females, compared with those of local purebred goats. Crossbred F1 male goats averaged 11.16Kg in carcass weight, 8.71Kg in meat weight, 47.11% in dressing percentage, 36.31% in meat percentage at four to eight-months-old, increasing by 49.30%, 53.89%, 21.41%, 12.59%, respectively, compared with the local breed at the same age.


Key words:  Goat, Crossbreeding improvement, Gowth, Carcass weight

Since the Boer goat was introduced in Sichuan province from S. Africa in 1997, this breed has

extended to over 50 counties of Sichuan for crossbreeding with the local breeds to improve their

quality. Over one million crossbred goats with half Boer blood made a considerable effect in quality

improvement of local breeds. The meat production of the whole Sichuan province increased and the

industrialization of goat production was sped up.

The following is the result of crossbreeding and quality improvement.




Renshou Goats have been a closed-breeding flock for a long time, whose progenitor was far from

that of Boer goat, so that the hybrid vigor between the two breeds is prominent. F1 generation

(B×R) of male averaged 3.21Kg for birth weight, 23.72Kg for four-month weight, 30.69Kg for sixmonth weight, 49.95Kg for yearling weight, and 69.36Kg for adult weight, increasing by 50.00%,

68.13%, 79.47%, 91.41%, and 71.88%, respectively, (it would be of interest to know how many

goats were included in this calculation. You could say {n=xx} at this point in the text.) compared

with the local breed at the same age; while females averaged 3.06Kg for birth weight, 20.81Kg for

four-month weight, 27.04Kg for six-month weight, 40.50Kg for yearling weight, and 50.91Kg for

adult weight, increasing by 50.74%, 62.62%, 70.92%, 78.72%, and 64.96%, respectively, compared with the local breed at the same age. Four-month-old male kids reached 11.46Kg of carcass weight, 8.88Kg of meat weight, 49.22% of dressing percentage, and 38.07% of meat percentage, 92.28%, 23.71%, 23.05%, and 28.53%, respectively higher than those of local breed of the same age. (Xiong Chaorui, et al.) The effect of crossbreeding was significant.




Jianyang Big-ear goats developed from crossbreeding Nubian with local breeds, have a big size, high survival rate, and high meat production. Jianyang Goat Meat Soup is famous for its rich flavor and good taste all over China. This crossbreeding with Boer goat is actually the three-way cross, which brings new blood into the Jianyang Big-ear goat. F1 generation (B×J) males averaged 3.23Kg for - 184 - birth weight, 23.84Kg for four-month weight, 30.82Kg for six-month weight, 49.20Kg for yearling weight, and 68.03Kg for adult weight, increasing by 39.02%, 67.60%, 50.20%, 61.00%, and 64.93%, respectively, compared with Jianyang Big-ear goats at the same age; while females averaged 3.15Kg for birth weight, 20.96Kg for four-month weight, 27.19Kg for six-month weight, 41.04Kg for yearling weight, and 52.07Kg for adult weight, increasing by 37.55%, 68.75%, 49.81%, 66.10%, and 69.20% respectively, compared with Jianyang Big-ear goat of the same age. Four-month-old male kids reached 10.14Kg of carcass weight, 7.84Kg of meat weight, 46.05% of dressing percentage, and 35.87% of meat percentage, 45.06%, 51.06%, 5.1%, and 9.39%, respectively, higher than those of Jianyang Big-ear goats of the same age. (Chen Tianbao, et al.) The effect of crossbreeding was significant.



Chengdu Ma goats are a local fine breed for both meat and skin, with tender meat texture, compact

skin, and 6% milk fat, which is famous around Asia. F1 generation (B×M) of male averaged

2.93Kg for birth weight, 16.12Kg for four-month weight, 23.17Kg for six-month weight, and

55.33Kg for yearling weight, increasing by 44.33%, 37.78%, 76.87%, and 112.81%, respectively,

compared with Chengdu Ma goat of the same age; while females averaged 2.96Kg for birth weight,

14.96Kg for four-month weight, 17.17Kg for six-month weight, and 30.83Kg for yearling weight,

increasing by 52.58%, 43.16%, 47.28%, and 54.15%, respectively, compared with Chengdu Ma

goats of the same age. Eight-month-old male goats reached 12.55Kg of carcass weight, 9.86Kg of

meat weight, 49.70% of dressing percentage, and 39.05% of meat percentage, 56.29%, 64.33%,

9.23%, and 13.88%, respectively higher than those of Chengdu Ma goat of the same age. (He

Mingyang, et al.) The effect of crossbreeding was significant.




Nanjiang Yellow goats were first cultivated for meat in China. They possess a big size, steady

genetic character, hardy ability, and good meat production. At the earlier stage, growth is slow.

Introduction of Boer blood into Nanjiang Yellow was the ideal and feasible project to increase its

meat production. F1 generation (B×N) males averaged 2.67Kg for birth weight, 15.15Kg for fourmonth weight, 18.50Kg for six-month weight, and 22.56Kg for eight-month weight, increasing by 34.17%, 25.10%, 25.17%, and 26.46%, respectively, compared with Nanjiang Yellow goats of the same age; while females averaged 2.44Kg for birth weight, 13.84Kg for four-month weight, 17.74Kg for six-month weight, and 22.56Kg for eight-month weight, increasing by 41.04%, 14.29%, 23.54%, and 19.56%, respectively, compared with Nanjiang Yellow goats of the same age. Eight-month-old male goats reached 10.49Kg of carcass weight, 8.19Kg of meat weight, 43.69% of dressing percentage, 16.04%, 29.63%, and 1.51%, respectively, higher than those of Nanjiang Yellow goats of the same age. Meat percentage of the hybrid offspring stays at the same level with the Nanjiang Yellow goat (Chen Sen, et al). (???) The above data show that the growth of crossbred F1 generation (B×N) is superior to that of Nanjiang Yellow goat, with increased meat production to some extent, retaining the advantage of tender and juicy meat texture. However, further research needs to be conducted to seek how much Boer blood should be introduced into the local breed for the best result.



Lezhi Black goat, a local breed in the center of Sichuan province, is kept widely in large numbers,

with a big size, good meat production. It is an important project to crossbreed Lezhi Black goat with

Boer goat, so as to improve meat productivity. The average birth weight of F1 generation (B×N)

- 185 - reached 3.33Kg for male and 3.24Kg for female, increasing by 22.88% and 25.10%, respectively, compared with that of the local breed of the same age; six-month-old F1(B×N) weighed 30.45Kg for males and 27.10Kg for females, 44.24% and 36.46%, respectively, higher than that of the local goats of the same age; the yearling F1(B×N) weighed 45.36Kg and 42.17Kg, 14.86% and 11.86% higher than that of local breed of the same age, respectively. Six-month-old male goats reached 11.20Kg of carcass weight, 8.78Kg of meat weight, 46.47% dressing percentage, and 36.43% meat percentage, 36.92%, 49.07%, 2.83% and 11.95%, respectively, higher than those of Lezhi Black goats of the same age (Zhou Guangming, et al). Hybrid vigor was achieved to some extent.



It is necessary to crossbreed Jialing goat with Boer to improve the quality of meat production,

because Jialing is the major Black breed in the central part of Sichuan province. The male F1 (B×J)

averaged 2.53Kg for birth weight, 27.72Kg for six-month weight, and 42.94Kg for yearling weight,

increasing by 36.76%, 93.72%, and 106.14% respectively compared with those of Jialing goat; while females averaged 2.32Kg, 22.01Kg, and 34.26Kg, 43.21%, 74.27%, and 76.51% higher,

respectively, than the Jialing goat (Qin Duan, et al). The above results indicate that crossbred F1

(B×J) show significance in body weight gain for different growth periods.



Yingshan Black goat, a local breed from central Sichuan province, is prolific and early maturing,

with tender meat texture, however with one shortcoming of small body size. Also it is famous for

tasty Yingshan goat meat soup. Using Boer goats, with a big body size, to crossbreed with Yingshan

shows high value in increasing body weight and meat production. Birth weight of F1 (B×J) averaged

2.51Kg for males and 2.36Kg for females, 38.67% and 48.43% higher respectively than that of

Yingshan Black goats of the same age; Six-month weight averaged 27.33Kg for males and 25.11Kg for females, increasing by 94.38% and 118.00%, respectively, over Yingshan goats at the same age. Yearlings averaged 37.26Kg and 34.15Kg for males and females, respectively, 80.70% and 85.30% higher (Bai Dengliang, et al). The above data shows a significant improvement of body size and meat production.




According to the results from above mentioned Boer crossbreeding with seven local breeds, the

crossbred F1 goats grew faster than local breeds, with the advantages of better meat production, great potential of improvement in production, good mating ability ability, and significant hybrid vigor.


8.1 Growing faster. Crossbred F1 increased birth weight by an average of 37.10% and 41.62% for

males and females, respectively; 66.79% and 47.21%, respectively, for six-month weight; 77.85%

and 60.03%, respectively for yearling weight; and 68.41% and 67.06%, respectively, for adult

weight. Among those seven local breeds, Yingshan Black is the smallest by size, but body weight

gain of F1 (B×Y) was the biggest. So, Boer goats are suitable to be used to crossbreed with lowproduction goats and show superior results. Improved meat production: Carcass weight of crossbred F1 between Boer and local breeds averaged 11.16Kg (ranging from 10.14Kg to 12.55Kg) at four to eight months old, 49.30% higher than that of local breeds of the same age; meat production averaged 8.71Kg (ranging from 7.84Kg to 9.86Kg), 53.89% higher, respectively; Dressing percentage and meat percentage averaged 47.11% and 36.31%, 21.41% and 12.59% higher, respectively. Besides increased production, the quality of meat was also improved, represented by tender meat texture, rich protein and eighteen necessary amino acids for human.

8.3 Improving management and timely deworming can provide even more significant hybrid

vigor. Supplementary feeding to kids should be started with green grass and grain ten days after

birth. This produces a stimulating effect on the gastrointestinal tract development. Oral

Mebendazol provides an efficient way to deworm young goats.


8.4 Research on different varieties of crossings between Boer and local breeds needs to be

popularized to provide an additional basis for extending crossbreeding improvement and developing

fine quality meat goats.

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« Reply #206 on: August 09, 2014, 08:42:07 AM »
We have secured another Nubian buckling born in the Philippines.This new buckling will be shipped in the next 2 weeks.This new island born Nubian out of the Goddard lines from Kansas has some of the American Marvin genetics in him.Our other yearling buckling is a half brother to the new buckling's dam.We will be breeding very tight,so tight no room to breathe but these two lines should compliment each other having the common Marvin genetics in them.It is hoped now that some form of Nubian breeding program can take place in this rural area as still no help from the Govt. for breeding stocks.In some areas of the country it has been left in the hands of private parties to invest their own monies over anything coming from the Govt. side.The Govt. side assumes no risk.

I believe in three generations we should be able to provide Nubian breeding stocks from high profile lines.Goddard Farm will secure no.#1 and 9th for Nubian milk production for 2013 when listed by the ADGA.this month.Goddard genetics have and do remain in the top ten for milk production,ADGA recordings,year in and year out.This is by far the most explosive bloodline for Nubians in the Philippines to date.Lots of interest in the Goddard bloodlines for dairy Nubians,worldwide.

We did breed the Australian Anglo Nubians from 2005-2010 when we ended the breeding program as we realized we could not find the bloodlines needed to bring about change from meat over to dairy but in the last year we have been blessed to find private parties who themselves brought in the American genetics we were looking for.The first buckling we bought is a direct Grandson of the American legion himself,Frost Marvin.Our yearling Pr.George has a body confirmation different from our Australian Anglo Nubian bucks.With the two bucks I would expect change to take place in around three generations with tight line breeding to produce dairy Nubians that will show promise for dairy.The Goddard lines has some American Marvin genetics in it so we will be top heavy in the American Marvin genetics which I feel should be the best shot we have at change over to dairy from meat which it where we stand as of now.This is a fast track breeding program which better suits those with more experience.Done right,great,done wrong and starting over again.

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« Reply #207 on: October 05, 2014, 08:37:06 AM »
I was once told if you chopped your napier into green chop first over just feeding whole as under cut and carry you will find that your livestocks will eat more and with a lot less waste.Since we have been using our hammer mill shredder for this job we have found far less waste and the livestocks eat more of it.There is a lot of truth to this.if you can chop your napier into chop your livestocks will thank you and you will enjoy far less waste.Waste if a big part when feeding livestocks like goats as they are messy eaters to begin with.Less waste means you can harvest less and saving your valuable napier that would other ways be going to waste.Will save you money and anything that can save you money is more money in your pockets.Becomes part of your feed management program,works well for cattle also.

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« Reply #208 on: October 21, 2014, 04:35:30 AM »
As 2014 comes to an end and 2015 begins.Looking back over the last 10 years back to 2005 and seeing how far the goat industry has moved forward and matured.The early days with the move into meat goat production and the early entry by some into dairy.The earlier days with the Australian genetics and today with the import of American genetics for both dairy and meat, places the Philippines in a position no other Asian Sister country has,selection,selection and more selection of genetics available to any/all who are looking for those genetics.China still the goat populations per capital but has many,many native breeds along with some Boers and Saanans.Viet Nam and Thailand have dairy goats but also numbers of dairy cattle and Indonesia has Saanens from Australia and Malaysia has a healthy meat goat industry with some really nice Australian Boers but none have the dairy goat genetics enjoyed by the Philippines.Once a dairy goat born and bred for the Tropical climate of South East Asia,milks well enough and with the right time in lactation hits the media.Interest from Philippine breeder/s to supply breeding stocks to other Asian Sister countries will open up a new industry on its own.Export of genetics.There are more genetics in the country today and many new breeders along with the established Big Brothers breeders who have selected genetics for those interested.No shortage of bloodlines and a line to fit all budgets.

Over the last 10 years we have seen the advancement in goat health.Meds for problems that helped with respiratory issues,testing for CAE and other issues.We have written the book on raising goats under confinement in a tropical country and climate.Our ability to raise numbers of goats on smaller land holdings compared to those in N.America is nothing short of having the attitude,can do,will do and show you how to.Not a miracle but just good old fashion believing it can be done with some hard work and time with a little luck.

2014 was the year of Pak Chong.Many people have been planting this new grass for added protein values over what has already been growing.One good thing about rural provincial farming is that we get to sit back and watch others plant and then we can see how well it works before we have to buy.We win both ways.Should it work, we will buy, but if it fails it has cost us nothing.I myself have Pak Chong on our wish list for 2015 and will follow in the tradition of the King napier.Give some out for free to others and help spread around in the area for their livestocks.Not a money making venture but helping to establish a healthy supply on this new hybrid napier over the old variety.

There is a road map and more help coming but in truth, not all areas will receive help at the same time or at the same level.Not all areas in the rural provincial countryside will become part of the industry in the beginning but over time will become more involved.A lesson can be borrowed from the hog industry.Over time the National Hog Federation brought in the Backyard raisers.The same should happen with the goat industry.The Federations realize that the Backyard raisers make up the largest percentage of raisers in the country but for most Backyard raisers the opportunities to join and become part of the Federation is not going to happen for reasons of one or another.Many backyard raisers cannot attend conventions.How many raisers in that area and size?How far are the farms spread out?Distance is a big factor.Does your local DA support the industry or do they support another/other industry?Areas like mine will have to support themselves and show/prove that they too are goat raisers dispite the fact they do not belong to any association but if 2 or more people of like mindedness can meet and greet, become friends and each one brings his/her own strengths and a exchange of ideas start flowing then both will be much better off over each one just doing their own thing and the number one reason why the rural provincial farmer has a hard time to organize.Goat raisers who belong to an association share ideas,genetics and knowledge while the lone farmer only has him/herself to rely on.Always strength in numbers over the single.Those in the rural provincial countryside who can afford more will have to help more.In areas where there is not a lot of support,support must come from those farming within those areas and continue the path to a healthy goat industry for the future.

Over the last 10 years it has been interesting to see the rise of the Sister goat raisers from little to medium into Big sisters from all corners of the country.Little/Medium and Big Sisters has arrived.We too are players.

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« Reply #209 on: December 02, 2015, 01:46:20 AM »
Well I have not been here for some time as my wife has been much more active working with goats than myself.The older I get the more I slow down and pass all my knowledge to my wife to carry on with the farm.Has been interesting to see many other goat groups forming to help move the goat industry forward but you never see much in the way of people posting about sheep.I am still surprised about the numbers of goats that are imported from countries like Australia back to the Philippines.Current data has shown that breeding is still by far the money maker in this industry and all who wish to become new goat raisers become breeders themselves as this is where the money is but at current levels many in this industry feel that at or around 2020 the country will have enough breeding stock and then this makes you wonder what will happen with all these expensive goats.Will be many expensive goats going for meat.This could get interesting.I have had information coming to me telling of new Govt. supported breeding farms set up in some areas of the countryside that will add much needed upgraded genetics for the goat industry for the rural backyard goat farmers.This is a bonus providing these new goats are disease free as some areas of the countryside are still pretty much disease free and lets hope it stays that way.In the last 15 years the country has imported 2 diseases and 1defect no really a disease that affects the Nubian breed and any breed that crossed with G6S carriers.Shows how important testing for diseases really is as something like this can have far reaching effects down the road for the whole goat industry.On the other hand it has been nice to see the other farmers working with all these new bloodlines and improving their herds.I am still really thrilled to see how much of a difference just 1 generation can make when using certain lines to bring about change.The industry is moving ahead and I have been lucky to have been part of this change and I hope that any and all goat and sheep programs will go and help other goat and sheep raisers with the much needed genetics.On the other hand who knows,maybe those who wish to keep breeding the natives to natives might in the long run be the smarter ones as in some point the bottom will crash for breeding stocks.I doubt we will see anytime soon that people will be able to raise milking goats on forage only feeding and this was backed by Noah Goddard Farms,USA and many others in N.America  that unless you feed them with concentrates they will most likely never produce enough milk to pay for their keep.If you find the right product to make from the milk then you should be in the money.The meat goat pricing is still low for our farm in our area at P110. per kg. liveweight but I remember when prices were around P70. per kg liveweight.A P40. increase since around 2008.But in 2008 still more of us were raising natives.
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