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Grower mash formulation
« on: June 20, 2008, 09:37:51 PM »
This formula was taken from Greenfields magazine. This formula is old but maybe still helpful one way or another.

Grower Mash
Protein content  16%
Fiber content     7.98%


Ingredients (kilos)
Copra meal                350
Corn bran                  400
Corn germ meal             50
Corn grits                     90
Fish meal                     25
Ipil ipil meal                  50
Meat and bone meal     105
molasses                     90
pollard                       100
rice bran                    395   
salt                              5
soya bean meal             75
sorghum                     125
yellow corn                 135
addmix                          5   
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  total                      2,000
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Re: Grower mash formulation
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2009, 11:33:19 PM »
Thanks Dr. Nemo. I really appreciate you redirecting me to the site. I have several questions that emanated from your formula. Btw, I grew up in the city and barely have hands on in the agriculture endeavor. When I knew that I had land to use, I fell in love with it & for 2 years of putting up projects, I am not without challenges.

Doc, I took the liberty of putting a % constituency for the formula you posted for so that I could make a cost analyses for every ingredient you have posted. I am an engineer by profession & it has been helpful to do things by the numbers. Anyway, here it is. I hope that by the time I post this table, it could still be understood.



Grower Mash      
Protein content  16%      
Fiber content     7.98%      
      
Ingredients (kilos)      
                         Weight (kg)      % Constituency
Corn bran                 400             20.00%
Rice bran                  395            19.75%
Copra meal                350            17.50%
Yellow corn               135              6.75%
Sorghum                   125              6.25%
Meat and bone meal   105              5.25%
Pollard                     100              5.00%
Molasses                   90              4.50%
Corn grits                  90              4.50%
Soya bean meal          75              3.75%
Ipil ipil meal                50              2.50%
Corn germ meal           50              2.50%
Fish meal                   25              1.25%
Addmix                        5              0.25%
Salt                            5              0.25%
                                _____    __________
Total                       2000        100.00%
Volume or Equivalent No. of Sacks (50 kg)   40sacks   
      
Now, for the questions:

1. Supposing I could come up with all the ingredients I presume that Grower Mash has to be introduced. How much of his Mash should I place for every 200 kgs feeds?      
      
2. What's the difference between Corn bran, Corn germ meal & Yellow corn? I am thinking to combine these 3 materials. The price for milling them is only P30per kg in our local mills. From our local crop, I will have corn milled by way of grinding them in local mills to a fine texture, similar to rock salt sizes (halite size). My simple (and admittedly naive) understanding would somewhat look like this:
      
Ingredients (kilos)      
                                  Weight (kg)   % Constituency
Corn  (local produce)            585                 29.25%
Corn bran                            ____                0.00%
Rice bran                            395                19.75%
Copra meal                          350                17.50%
Yellow corn                         ____                0.00%
Sorghum                             125                 6.25%
Meat and bone meal             105                  5.25%
Pollard                               100                  5.00%
Molasses                             90                  4.50%
Corn grits                            90                  4.50%
Soya bean meal                    75                  3.75%
Ipil ipil meal                          50                  2.50%
Corn germ meal                   ____                 0.00%
Fish meal                             25                  1.25%
Addmix                                 5                   0.25%
Salt                                     5                   0.25%
                                       _____               __________
Total                                2000                100.00%
Volume or Equivalent No. of Sacks (50 kg)   40   
      
Doc Nemo, would I still achieve the same constituency as you have posted in http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/feed_formulation/grower_mash_formulation-t687.0.html?
      
3. Lastly, how do I process copra meal from the copra our farm produces. Would it be safe to say, get a sack of dried copra, boil it and have it served together with the above formula?

I guess this will be all for now. I still have more questions; probably next time would be great to post them after hearing from you.
   


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Re: Grower mash formulation
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2009, 12:22:53 AM »
Ooops. Sorry. "The price for milling them is only P30per kg in our local mills". This should be "The price for milling them is only P30 for every 50kg (for every sack of corn) in our local mills".

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2009, 07:37:42 PM »
1. Actually, the feed ingredients below when mix is the "Growing mash" you don't need to put extra commercial growing mash here. THe protein content (16%) and fiber content (7.98%) indicated is the  value of this mix.

2. The outer covering of the corn /yung isang butil is called the corn germ meal naman is a byproduct ng extraction ng corn oil. In terms of consistency medyo mababago po ito, every ingredient kasi is iba iba ang Crude protein, energy etc... so once na nagreplace sila mababago talaga ito.

3. copra meal, need to extract muna yun oil , bale by product uli ito.
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The need to know HOW TO PROCESS our produce
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 11:52:19 AM »
The instant I read your reply awhile ago, everything makes sense already. Thank you Doc Nemo. Now I know exactly what I should be doing & wished that I took up chemical together with mechanical eng'g.

Cost cutting in business is the only solution. I am convinced that should farmers be given the opportunity to be able think of ways of avoiding expenses, the profitability of any agri venture they place themselves into is not difficult to achieve.

I am concerned especially of my plight for the reason that I have about 10 farmers displaced because they chose not to continue with the DAR's program PD 27/RA 6657. They have discovered that they cannot survive in their farms without our help as land owners. The expensive operational cost in managing farms made them run to usurious loan sharks, consequently make them run into a lot of trouble. Some no longer are possessors of their awarded land because their mortgaged land have been foreclosed. Their Emancipation Patents Titles are just mere shits of paper.

Apparently me & some faithful farmers are faced with these dilemmas. With the prevailing prices dropping down to 50%, we cans hardly make ends meet. It is obvious that a 25-35% profit margin is expected. But with a staggering 50% loss, I really do not understand how they could pay up their loans. If there's anything worth doing in this beautiful property, that is we have to be taught/ educated how to process our feeds (instead of buying these at expensive prices) from the land we grow our produce. Thus,our chances of business survival would be more of a thriving venture. I have to admit, unless we could avail of millions of pesos in capitalization, we would never get our farms to become financially viable. Such wonderful place would just remain empty and useless. Loaning money is not an option. Doing so is like signing a death warrant.

Doc, if it is not difficult to do, would there be any chance you can teach us how we could process these so we can come up with reasonable prices with our feeds without compromising the growth of our hogs? Can anyone, suggest what we can do? I really pity my remaining farmworkers because they have been very loyal & industrious people whom my Dad worked with before he passed away.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 10:12:13 PM »
Animal nutrition is not my forte, especialized  part po kasi ito ng animal raising. Although i know the basic there are some institution that is authority in this field that  you can learn from.

Loaning for agribusiness is not recommended especially start up pa lang sila. Try to learn the in and out first of the business para makadecide sila when ang proper time to loan.

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Re: Grower mash formulation
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 12:15:32 AM »
Hello Doc,

   I guess I have to just improvise with whatever is available in the market. I did a little cost analyses and have come up with this. I am about to experiment this with 10 piglets as Grower Mash formulation. I'd really appreciate anyone who can comment on this. There is a very big disparity in the price vs. that which is available in the market, whether it is in the form of Premix or outright ready to feed Grower Mash.

   Likewise, I just have to know by February if my piglets reached 85 kilos by then.


Ingredients (kilos)               Weight (kg)   % Constituency   Price per Kilo   Amount
  Corn RRC-2                      394.80             26.32%              11.60           4,579.68
  Rice bran                         389.85             25.99%               4.00           1,559.40
  Copra meal                       345.45            23.03%              16.75           5,786.29
  Processed Sorghum           123.30              8.22%               24.00           2,959.20
  Molasses                          88.80               5.92%               20.00           1,776.00
  Processed Soya beans        73.95               4.93%               32.00           2,366.40
  Ipil ipil                            49.35               3.29%                 5.00             246.75
  Fish meal                         24.60               1.64%                11.00            270.60
  Premix                              4.95               0.33%               750.00          3,712.50
  Salt                                 4.95               0.33%                 20.00             99.00

Total                             1,500.00          100.00%                                 23,355.82
No. of Sacks (50 kg)   30.00         
Cost per 50kg sack   467.12         

Thanks again Doc Nemo

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2009, 08:11:28 PM »
Sir, remind me about this formulation 1 week from now. Very hectic ang schedule ko and di ko siya mapag aralan. I need to cross reference it pa kasi especially the CP , ME etc...
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 02:48:31 PM »
Ok.. Thanks

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 09:58:07 AM »
Hello Doc,

   I guess I have to just improvise with whatever is available in the market. I did a little cost analyses and have come up with this. I am about to experiment this with 10 piglets as Grower Mash formulation. I'd really appreciate anyone who can comment on this. There is a very big disparity in the price vs. that which is available in the market, whether it is in the form of Premix or outright ready to feed Grower Mash.

   Likewise, I just have to know by February if my piglets reached 85 kilos by then.


Ingredients (kilos)               Weight (kg)   % Constituency   Price per Kilo   Amount
  Corn RRC-2                      394.80             26.32%              11.60           4,579.68
  Rice bran                         389.85             25.99%               4.00           1,559.40
  Copra meal                       345.45            23.03%              16.75           5,786.29
  Processed Sorghum           123.30              8.22%               24.00           2,959.20
  Molasses                          88.80               5.92%               20.00           1,776.00
  Processed Soya beans        73.95               4.93%               32.00           2,366.40
  Ipil ipil                            49.35               3.29%                 5.00             246.75
  Fish meal                         24.60               1.64%                11.00            270.60
  Premix                              4.95               0.33%               750.00          3,712.50
  Salt                                 4.95               0.33%                 20.00             99.00

Total                             1,500.00          100.00%                                 23,355.82
No. of Sacks (50 kg)   30.00         
Cost per 50kg sack   467.12         

Thanks again Doc Nemo

sir mali yata ung cost per sack mo... it should be 778.57 @ 50kg/sack
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Re: Grower mash formulation
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2010, 01:22:35 PM »
This is an informative forum

I would just like to ask where I can buy the ingredients like processed soya beans, processed sorghum, dicaphos, etc..

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 03:03:40 PM »
@yuan, agree na may mali computation ni gunder. (23355.82/1500)* 50 = 778.12
kaya nagarrive xa sa 467.12 kc nagamit nya ung 30, hindi 50.

this is for the raw material alone. ung milling cost, sack, etc and travel expenses, dagdag rin dito.

comparing sa current commercial grower feed cost, it's just about ~200 price difference. and kung bulk orders pa, mas malaki discount.
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Re: PRESYO NG FEEDS
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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 07:14:08 PM »
medyo late lang pero sasagutin ko na rin....

every area kasi iba iba ang price kahit na parerehas ang brand. Example ang ACE, BMEG, PURINA, ROBINA etc kapag bumili ka sa bulacan at bumili ka sa batangas eventhough same brand at same day ka bumili possible na iba price nila. I do believe ang price ng feeds  ngayon ay from 1000 pesos to 1400 pesos.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 11:02:47 AM »
Hi Gunder,

Kumustahin ko sana ung grower formulation that you've applied. Ok ba ung market weight ng fatteners mo?

I really appreciate your analyses on this and hopefully to also apply this in my expanding farm. I'm in the IT field and don't want to be idle when I'm on vacation. After all, we have good area to put up the small farm.

Let me know of the end result so I can start considering it as well. Thanks.
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