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Title: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on February 04, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
Feed formulation- square method

THis is used by novice animal  nutritionist as a starting point in the study of feed formulation. You can compute the proper mix of ingredients to attain a certain amount of CP or crude protein.

example.
If you have corn and soya. (CP of certain ingredients sometimes varies depending on the book you have as a reference.)

Assuming Corn has 11% CP while soya 44% CP or crude protein. In a prestarter ration (swine) you need a 21% crude protein mix, so, how many  part of corn and soya should i mix to attain 21% crude protein.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/rodeorodeo/pearsonsquare.jpg)


the 23 parts  is attained by subtracting 21 CP with the CP of the soya which is 44.
the 10 parts is attained by subtracting the 21 CP  with the CP of corn which  is 11

33 is attained by adding the 23 parts to 10 parts.

following the formula  we attained 69.7% parts corn and  30.3% parts soya.

So if we want a 50 kg feed with 21% crude protein:
50 kg x 69.7 =3485/100= 34.85 kg corn
50 kg x 30.3%=1515/100=  15.15 kg rice bran
                              total 50 kg of feeds with 21% CP



NOTE: there should be no negative number in the formula. Example if you use soya with a 44 % CP. and your target is 21%CP , 21-44= -23. drop the negative sign. it should be 23 parts only.


***** I have edited the former data because there should be a value that is higher than the desired CP. On the previous example both source of CP are below the desired CP.... Sorry for mistake. I have overlooked the values.... THe principle is still the same as the previous post....


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: mikey on February 05, 2008, 08:26:20 AM
Doc,great information,how much protein is needed for growers??
Have a Good Day:
mikey,Region 7 Independant


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on February 05, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
This a rough estimation:

Prestarter=20-22 CP
starter= 18-20 CP
Grower =16-18 Cp
Finisher= 14-16 CP



Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: mikey on February 06, 2008, 08:01:04 AM
Doc,thanks
Good Day To You:mikey


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: lito on April 25, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
Sir, we have lots of ipil-ipil trees in our property and still multiplying. Is there other process to use this as feed for cows or goats not just cutting them and feed to animals right away.

Thank you in advance of your advise.

Lito


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on April 26, 2008, 10:53:53 AM
It's is usually feed sundried.

Also be reminded that you could only feed it in small amount to your animal because it have a toxic substance called mimosine.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: gunder_3910 on October 29, 2009, 10:58:23 PM
Hello Doc,

Is it safe to say that combining 1 part rice bran and 1 part corn would result to an average of 21% to a maximum of 23.7% Crude Protein? How about the calcium content? What would be a good, safe & cheap source of calcium?

Hope anyone to reply as well.

gunder_3910


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on October 30, 2009, 07:42:17 PM
Yup around that range siya.

Calcium source could be oyster shells etc


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: gunder_3910 on June 19, 2010, 11:12:35 PM
You’re right yuan.ai.centrum. I have to look for my files & correct it. Unfortunately, I was not able to follow-up on this formula because I was not so sure if I was going to compromise by experimenting this method. Another is that I have not received any scientific endorsement from anyone who would dare to try out this formula.
My apologies goes to those who asked me to respond to their emails regarding the feed formulation. I have not done so because I was & am still skeptic that this might not work out. I had problems with the way the pigs digested myh formula –for whatever possible reasons, I had to abandon this formula.
Instead, I ventured on experimenting on Doc Nemo’s Feed formulation- Square method. It would be interesting to note that this formula needs to be supplemented with very effective energy boosters & vitamins which are readily available from our veterinary shops. It might be worth to share my experience this summer regarding the 7 sows that I had been developing.
My first among 7 sows just went on heat. The square method that I chose to follow did not bring about the expected weight though, which should fall around 85 kg in 5 months from birth, in lieu of growth feeds readily available. Instead, my sows reached only an average of 76.3 kg in almost 8 months' period with the square method. I feel that this is not so bad because I have noticed that sows increase in weight tremendously after mating. Gestation does an incredible job to the pigs’ natural growth as though it recuperates for the loss it earlier lost, so long as adequate injectable energy boosters are provided.
It is not bad at all because I have consumed only 4 sacks of growth formula to augment the growth redundancy & about 20 sacks of rice bran & yellow corn (bt variety) for all 7 sows. I am happy to tell everyone that with prevailing prices based here on Iloilo I have only spent at more or less, P15, 800.00 in feeds for 7 sows to grow to full maturity which is only  P2,257.14 per sow. A pig averaging 75 kg thereabouts should gross at least P6,000 which, on my observation is not so bad because I only spent 37.6% cost of feeds.
I might experiment on the the feed formulation that I altered based on Doc Nemo’s formulation as soon as I could look for a good miller for my raw ingredients. My first experiment failed because I have noticed that these weren’t digested well based on the pigs’ droppings. But with Doc Nemo’s Nemo’s Feed formulation- Square method, I am now quite confident about the feasibleness of going into serious hog raising. If my gutt feel is right, there in money in hog raising.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: bebeh_dukz on June 20, 2010, 07:40:27 AM
doc, kelangan pa ba lutuin ung c0rn at rice bran b4 ipakain ung feed formula na prepare?


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: gunder_3910 on June 20, 2010, 08:47:47 AM
Doc, if I can find an efficient miller to to grind my feed ingredients, what would be the ideal sizes so that the pig could be able to effectively & efficiently take advantage of the nutrients available in these? You see Doc, as posted, droppings of my pigs make me doubt that these have not been thoroughly digested & sayang naman kung hindi magagamit nga hayop ang mga available nutrients -di ba po Doc?

Anyway, I am about to consume all my feeds that I harvested for the summer. By mid august or early September, my corn would then be harvested. I am hoping for a good harvest BUT, I have a major problem that often occurs perennially. The wet season's continuous pouring unable us to dry our produce to the desired moisture level for long time storage. Besides, our corn crops become damp where molds & insects compromise the quality  because of the continual downpour.

In relation to this, may you advice, or anyone for this matter, how we can effectively, store our feeds in good condition until the next harvest?

Thank you for your valued suggestion


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on June 20, 2010, 09:13:05 PM
sa isa ko kasi nabasa ang hammer mill screen size is 4.7 mm so around ganun ang size nya dapat. Sad to say kasi i have an ebook about swine nutrition dati pero dahil nasira harddisk ko wala na me kopya nito.

Kung hindi siya matunaw then try po nila na icook ito to facilitate yun digestion ng animal.

Big problem nga po ang moisture... the only way to go around this is kung may indoor dryer sila or oven na pwdeng pag lagakan nito para matuyo. Try to ask your local DA kung meron ba silang post harvest facility na pwedeng mgamit para patuyuan ng kanilan harvest.



Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: DonT on June 23, 2010, 11:54:27 AM
Sir,
There is something wrong sa formulation, calculation or assumptions.

It will be impossible to create 21% CP from a combination of ingredients having only 11% & 12%.

One of the ingredients should have a CP of more than 21%.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on June 23, 2010, 07:36:06 PM
Thanks for the correction Dont. Hindi ko na rin napansin yung values.
One of the ingredients should be higher than the desired CP....
 

I would try to correct it later na lang..


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: DonT on June 23, 2010, 08:54:47 PM
Btw,do we have a analyis of the following:

               DM, Crude Protein, Crude Fiber, Crude Fat, Metabolic Energy
Corn
Soya Pulp
Rice Bran
Copra



Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: gunder_3910 on June 24, 2010, 09:14:27 PM
Hello Doc Nemo,

I posted a formula a few months ago located in this site http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/feed_formulation/grower_mash_formulation-t687.0.html;msg9664#msg9664.

You said that I remind you regarding your opinion, but I guess it has probably been overlooked since I haven't heard from you about this. Two of my sows have given birth to very healthy piglets & I intend to move on by applying the said formula, but this time you are suggesting that I cook the formula in order to aid in the digestion?

My question is, should cooking be the only option in lieu of processing it by way of milling, will this not affect the nutrient consistency expedient to the piglet's growth?



Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on June 24, 2010, 10:18:20 PM
yeah, sorry for that. i have overlooked a lot of things in this forum....

It is better for piglets to eat cook feeds. They still have sensitive intestine and by cooking it will help in their digestion.
Half cook it so it would not loss much nutrients. By cooking also you can prolong the quality of the feeds.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: gunder_3910 on June 25, 2010, 11:58:08 AM
Hello Doc,

Thank you for responding. I'm glad you have suggested this. I was considering to have a local shop build an equipment that would process my own feeds recently, but the price for this custom made design is just incredible. I was afraid that if I will invest in this machinery I might not be of much use if in case it does not serve what I need for the processing my feeds. I'm only limiting my capacity to 10 sows & so far, I am satisfied with what I am doing for the time being. I am still exploring the possibilities of making ROI a priority from the these sows which basically was an idea that you have suggested last time.

Anyway, weren't it for your ideas, I wouldn't have much success in my venture.  I will be updating you in the future how things turned out. Thanks again & more power to pinoyagribusiness.com.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on June 26, 2010, 09:18:45 PM
For sure once you  achieved your ROI you are more familiar with hog raising na. And expanding would be simple task nalang.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: dryllez on July 02, 2010, 04:15:06 AM
I am a newbie and I also wanted to know more about hog raising. I found this forum and I hope that this can help me a lot.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: evad_c9 on July 02, 2010, 10:49:00 PM
doc, d2 me davao. ask ko lang kong ok lang na Pig Proten Consentrated (PPC) product ng B-Meg ang gamit namin, mix namin ang corn yon lang yon lang ang halo wala ng iba. Ok lang po ba yon na feeds para sa hog?


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: piggyrian on April 18, 2011, 10:21:57 PM
hi gudpm po mga kasamahan, bago lang po ako dito, pero matagal na ako nagbabasa sa mga mssg. dito sa forum, madami nadin ako natutunan. sa pag-aalaga hangang sa pag papa anak ng inahin. alam ko nadin po mga ilang basic na kelangan ng isang mag bababuy ang corcern ko lang po ngayon ay ang patuloy na pag taas ng mga commercial feeds na mukang nakaka bahala tlga, sana po meron po magbgay po sa amin mga bigginers ng mga paraan at mga sangkap na pedeng magamit or magawa para sa sariling feeds, gusto ko lang po sana subukan. testingin ko sana sa isang baboy muna. sana po mabigyan nyu ako ng mga formula or ingredients sa pag gawa ng feeds simula starter hangang sa finisher. malaking tulong po para sa akin at sa maraming mag bababuy dito sa batangas lalo na sa lugar namin. maraming salamat po, more power.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: babuylaber on April 18, 2011, 10:55:20 PM
kuyang evad yung binilhan niyo po ng PPC siguradong merong rekomendasyon ng tamang timpla. masmaganda po siguro kung susundin natin yun. nakakatipid na po tayo sa paggamit ng PPC wag po nating sagarin at baka lalo tayong malugi.

kuyang piggyrian, siguro try mo muna yung PPC na sinasabi ni kuyang evad, almost half the price po ang matitipid depende lang sa location at demand ng mga ihahalo.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: piggyrian on April 19, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
magandang umaga po sa inyong lahat, may question po sana ako, i hope po may maka tulong po sakin regarding sakin concern, i try to find some raw materials here samin lugar, but it seem like ayaw ng mga tindera at may ari ng mga may pwesto sa market na mag bgay ng info kung san makakabili ng mga raw materials para maka gawa ng self mix feeds. pero ito yung mga ilang raw materials na available samin, pede po b ito gawing self mix feeds sa baboy? ito yung nakita ko na available.

corn (corn grits)
darak
palyat
trigo
cassava
ipil ipil
malungay
salt


  pede ho ba yan na maging alternative na feeds at sapat po ba yan para makuha ng  baboy  ang kelangan nilang nutrients sa katawan. plan ko po kasi try kahit konti muna, mix ko lahat ng ingrients na yan. help nmn po pls. tnx so much and more power. god bless sa lahat ng mag bababuy.


 tanung ko lang din po sana if ang palyat b at ang copra meal ay iisa lang???are they the same??? sana matulungn nyu ako sa mga       question ko, tnx po ulit


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: doods on August 20, 2011, 09:11:26 PM
doc,
    good day po..bakit iba-iba ang kailangan ng cp content ng baboy in every stage,hndi po ba pwedeng isang formulation na lang at isang cp content hanggang sa sila ay mabenta na...thank you po..


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on August 23, 2011, 07:49:41 PM
piggyrian,

hindi kita matulungan sa formulation kasi hindi naman ako nutritionist... ang corn , darak, trigo, salt, yan na ang basic ng feed formulation nid na lang nila ng addition protein source.

@ doods
kaya iba iba yung cp and formula kasi you are trying to maximize yung growth ng animal kaya at every stage nag aadjust ka ng cp mo.

In theory naman kasi pwedeng isang cp lang then depends na lang sa dami ng kakainin ng animal ang adjustment kaso hindi siya mabilis na lalaki.

Parang tao lang din, kumakain ng karne, gulay kanin etc.. at habang lumalaki yun pa rin naman halos ang kinakain niya nababago lang sa dami.


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: doods on August 24, 2011, 06:10:42 AM
thank you doc....san nmn po kya makakabili ng mga raw materials? ksi sa tindahan d2 sobra ang mahal lugi ako..ung hndi po per tons khit 400 kilos per order meron po bang ganun?


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: all on April 21, 2012, 12:18:31 PM
Feed formulation- square method

THis is used by novice animal  nutritionist as a starting point in the study of feed formulation. You can compute the proper mix of ingredients to attain a certain amount of CP or crude protein.

example.
If you have corn and soya. (CP of certain ingredients sometimes varies depending on the book you have as a reference.)

Assuming Corn has 11% CP while soya 44% CP or crude protein. In a prestarter ration (swine) you need a 21% crude protein mix, so, how many  part of corn and soya should i mix to attain 21% crude protein.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/rodeorodeo/pearsonsquare.jpg)


the 23 parts  is attained by subtracting 21 CP with the CP of the soya which is 44.
the 10 parts is attained by subtracting the 21 CP  with the CP of corn which  is 11

33 is attained by adding the 23 parts to 10 parts.

following the formula  we attained 69.7% parts corn and  30.3% parts soya.

So if we want a 50 kg feed with 21% crude protein:
50 kg x 69.7 =3485/100= 34.85 kg corn
50 kg x 30.3%=1515/100=  15.15 kg rice bran
                              total 50 kg of feeds with 21% CP



NOTE: there should be no negative number in the formula. Example if you use soya with a 44 % CP. and your target is 21%CP , 21-44= -23. drop the negative sign. it should be 23 parts only.


***** I have edited the former data because there should be a value that is higher than the desired CP. On the previous example both source of CP are below the desired CP.... Sorry for mistake. I have overlooked the values.... THe principle is still the same as the previous post....
Hi there Doc! with regards po yung sa formulation....do we still need to add some micro ingredients such as premix vit,multi enzymes and other required ingredients? it might take a couple of grams based on what ive heard. ty po!


Title: Re: Feed formulation- Square method.
Post by: nemo on April 23, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
yes, it is up to you kung maglalagay ka pa ng premix, protein computation lang kasi yan