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Title: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on August 26, 2007, 01:46:31 AM
Mga kalimitang breed ng baboy sa Pilipinas

Landrace= puti na baboy na may tengang pababa at mahabang pangangatawan.
           = white breed with drooping ears and elongated bodies.

Largewhite=puting baboy na nakatayo ang tenga at pabilog na pangagatawan
          =white breed with erect ears and rounded body.

Pietrain = puting baboy na may batik na itim at mayroong matiponung pangangatawan.
          =white breed with spotted black and masculine body/conformation.

Duroc= mapusyaw na pula or kulay chokolate may paarkong likod.
       = mahogany red or brown with arch back.

Hampshire= itim na baboy na maykulay puti paikot sa dibdib
             = black pig with white belt around the chest.

Berkshire
= itim na baboy na may puti sa paa at buntot at nguso.
             = balck pig with white spot on the feet, tail and snout.

Philippine Native= itim na baboy, maliit at  mahinang lumaki.
                     = black pig, small and a slow grower.

See the Gallery area for the pictures.
http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/gallery.html;cat=4 (http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/gallery.html;cat=4)

Paraan ng pagpapalahi

Pure breeding= Ang isang lahi ng baboy ay ipabubulog sa baboy na parehas na lahi ngunit hindi
                              magkakamag anak. Example landrace x landrace.
                          = an animal that belongs to the same breed but not related is mated. Ex. landrace to 
                              landrace.
     
Inbreeding= Ang magkakamag anak na baboy ay ipapalahi sa bawat isa.
                       = closely related animals are bred with one another.

Upgrading= Ang isang native o kaya grade na hayop ay ipapabulog sa baboy na may mas mataas na
                         katangian.
                      = Native or a grade animal will be mated to a superior breed.

Cross breeding
= Dalawang mag kaibang lahi ng baboy ay ibreed. Ex Largewhite x Duroc.
                        = 2 different breeds of swine will be mated ex. Largewhite x Duroc.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: mikey on September 06, 2007, 03:19:46 PM
Dr.Nemo,okay the information we have from our book and the Govt. information,it told us to bred a landrace to a large white this is a crossbreed (white),bred the females to a terminal sire (Duroc),this gives you a slaughter hog,this is what we have been doing.My poor Duroc is finished,too much action,The information I have ,reads that the Duroc is better suited for tougher conditions,better able to take more heat,handles stress better than the other breeds.Do you think the Duroc makes for a better terminal sire over the other ones?? Have a good day            mikey


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on September 06, 2007, 09:03:09 PM
In general, yes.

It is the most recommended combination.

But you have also to consider the data/performance of the duroc you are buying.

IT does not give you a assurance that if you are buying a Duroc, F1, PS etc means you have a quality breed. Always ask for a performance  record. Most breeding farms have this.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: mikey on September 07, 2007, 01:24:36 AM
Dr. Nemo,do you think it is better to use a crossbred Duroc (f1) over a purebred Duroc.We had been using a purebred Duroc (terminal sire) to produce slaughter hogs,only kept 1 male (crossbred) as a back up,he is now in service ,until we can replace the Duroc. Thanks       mikey


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on September 07, 2007, 04:26:11 AM
In theory it is better to use the pure duroc. But if your crossbred duroc gan give you the same or even better production then go for it.

Check the record of your crosbred duroc if it has a good averaged daily gain,good feed convertion ratio,  physically it is masculine, came from a batch with a big litter then i would say it could be a good breeder.







Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: mikey on September 07, 2007, 02:35:05 PM
Dr. Nemo,well he is a good hog,I still want a red Duroc.Thanks for your advise.Have A Good Day                       mikey


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: mikey on May 12, 2008, 10:26:20 AM
Heterosis in Crosses of Inbred Lines of Duroc Swine
Doyle Chambers and J. A. Whatley, Jr.
Oklahoma A. and M. College1


Abstract

The litter weights and number of live pigs per litter for 371 litters of Duroc swine at birth, 21, 56, and 180 days of age were studied. The same items were studied on 73 additional litters at birth and 56 days. All litters were farrowed at the Oklahoma Agricultural Experiment Station during the period from 1939 to 1949 inclusive. The study included inbred litters from seven different lines, as well as two-line-cross, three-line-cross, and outbred Duroc litters. Intra-season weighted mean differences were obtained for number of pigs per litter and litter weights at birth, 21, 56, and 180 days for five different comparisons.

The comparisons made were: I, two-line-cross litters with inbred litters within line of dam; II, two-line-cross litters with the average of the two parental inbred lines; III, three-line-cross litters with two-line-cross litters; IV, three-line-cross litters with outbred Duroc litters; V, two-line crosses with outbred Durocs. The data on litters produced by sows over one year of age were corrected to a gilt-equivalent age.

Hybrid vigor was evident both in number of pigs per litter and litter weights at birth, and increased as the litters became less dependent upon the direct mothering ability of the dams.

This vigor was expressed to a greater extent in the increased viability of the pigs and productivity of two-line-cross gilts than in the increased growth rate of the individual pigs.

There was no significant difference in the performance of two-line-cross litters raised by inbred sows and the performance of outbred Duroc litters which were produced in the same season.

Three-line-cross litters, raised by two-line-cross dams and sired by inbred boars of a third line, were superior to both two-line-cross and outbred Duroc litters with which they were compared. The differences were not statistically significant for all items.

Increased number of pigs per litter in most cases was sufficient to account for a large percentage of the increase in total litter weight.

When initial weights of the pigs were the same, advantages of two-line-cross pigs over inbreds with the same line of dam in post-weaning rate of gain and efficiency of gain were relatively small and inconsistent.

Because heterosis was expressed in both number of pigs which survived and the growth rate of the individual, total weight of the litter seems to be the one best over all measure of performance for comparison of lines or crosses.



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Footnotes
1 Animal Husbandry Department, in cooperation with the Regional Swine Breeding Laboratory (Ames. Iowa), Bureau of Animal Industry, Agricultural Research Administration, U.S.D.A.





Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: johntrix on December 04, 2008, 08:47:22 PM
good day to you doc,

ngayon po kase inilipat namin ng crate ang mga inahin namin sa farrowing crate from gestation crate. one month pregnant na po  ang mga ito. kulang po kase kami sa gestating crate kaya inililipat namin ng maaga sa farrowing. it was very stressful para sa inahin dahil we need na hatakin pataatras ang mga ito. ang worry ko lang po sa ganitong first month of pregnancy, posibleng pa rin po bang makunan ang mga ito? is there any technique ng paglipat ng inahin na hindi masyadong stressful na kailangan takpan ng sako ang ulo nito at hatakin sa buntot paatras? salamat po ulit.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on December 06, 2008, 12:09:02 PM
Kung mag lilipat ng inahin na buntis dapat less stress ito.

Kalimitan mga board/ plywood ang ginagamit parang guide para mapalakad sila papunta sa kulungan.
Mas maganda kung 2 tao ang gagawa nito. Ang mga plywood ay gagamitin mong pang ipit sa kabilaang katawan nito. Ang tendency ang makikitang daan lang ng baboy ay paharap. So, lalakad ito ng paharap at habang ginagawa niya ito inaadjust nyo din ng paharap ang plywood papuntang kulungan nito. Kung ayaw nyang lumakad. papaluin/tatapikinm nyo sa puwet ito para matakot at lumakad.

Also nga pala, as much as possible there should be no person sa harapan ng baboy whether sa gilid or harap. except yun humahawak ng plywood.

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trans....
If you want to transfer pregnant sow, as much as possible it should be less stressful.

I would suggest that you use  boards/plywoods as a tool to direct them to the pen. The sow would be inbetween the plywood and the tendency the animal could only see straight ahead, so it will walk straight. while the animal is walking adjust the plywood forward until you reach the pen. If the animal is not walking tap it in the butt so it would walk.

As much as possible there should be  no person in front of the animal or at side except for those who will hold the plywood.



Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: johntrix on December 06, 2008, 01:33:44 PM
i see now. mahirap kase ung design ng piggery ko coz of the location. maburol sya kaya ung ibang crate na lilipatan ay nasa itaas na parte kumbaga first floor and second floor, wala naman syang hagdanan kundi slant na daanan lamang. takot ang baboy pababa so kind of need to apply force to it.siguro ilipat lahat ng crate sa the same elevation na lang.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: kirara on January 20, 2009, 09:18:57 PM
doc nu po ba physical appearance ng f1 na sow???


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on January 21, 2009, 02:31:15 AM
Lean, legs without deformities, clear eyes and alert, Kung nasa likod ka ng baboy yun mga legs nya dapat straight sa paningin mo.
You need also to see the pedigree of the animal. Birth history nya and ancestry. Whether it came from a good sow, whether it grows fast etc.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: hogzilladoc on April 13, 2009, 10:20:37 AM
DOC NEMO... ::)

i just wanna ask kung may "2008 Swine Production Performance" na. Gusto ko sana makita mga achievements and targets for Breeding Swine kasi magtatayo ako ng A.I. center.  8)


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on April 13, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
Follow this link "Swine Production performance 2008" (http://pinoyagribusiness.com/forum/empty-t368.0.html;msg4214;topicseen#msg4214)


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: sanico on June 20, 2009, 10:58:32 PM
Hi Doc,
Please send me the copy of Breeding 101. t.y.
nmsanico_0917@yahoo.com.ph


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on June 22, 2009, 09:57:09 PM
SIr nick, ala me soft copy nun breeding 101.
Mostly nasa book naman po yun.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: ALEXGARCI on July 01, 2009, 01:16:05 PM
doc gud pm, ano po ang blood stain ng NEW DALLAND?
maganda po ba itong gawin INAHIN?
gusto ko lang po alamin ang lahat tungkol sa NEW DALLAND

tnks


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on July 01, 2009, 07:49:09 PM
If i am not mistaking the blood line of New Dalland pigs or swine is largewhite x landrace.

New Dalland is more of a brand.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: ALEXGARCI on July 02, 2009, 01:20:23 PM
doc paano po ginagawa ang GGP?  IF GGP x GGP ang anak is GGP parin?


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: Wrangler on July 02, 2009, 04:07:43 PM
GGP ay nanggagaling sa isang nucleus herd
GGP x GGP = GP
GP x GP = PS/F1
F1 x Terminal boar = market hog/fattenners

Tama ba doc? Please correct me if I'm wrong


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: ALEXGARCI on July 02, 2009, 04:49:44 PM
k, tnx wrangler, ang tanong ko po is paano po nila ginagawa yung GGP? i mean the origin? curious lang po

tnx again


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on July 02, 2009, 08:23:40 PM
Ok naman wrangler. Thanks

San galing ang GGP, Well years of research,trial and error etc. sa  mixing ng breed.  Kaya po mahal ang GGP.

So in the end, which ever give the best result will be the GGP. Ito naman ang ibrebreed nila ng paulit ulit. Para mapurify yun line.

So tama din na pwedeng GGP xGGP = GGP

Sounds simple but it is not that simple ;D


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: ALEXGARCI on July 03, 2009, 08:22:58 AM
maraming salamat doc, umorder kc ako ng Boar Australian Large White GP

pure australian large white GP ang Nanay
pure australian large white GP ang Tatay

pure australian large white  GP rin ang anak

tama po ba ako doc?


tnx for the info sa GGP, naliwanagan ako


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: ALEXGARCI on July 06, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
hello doc nemo, paano po natin malalaman kung ang baboy ay GGP, GP or PS aside from sabi lng ng farm or its pedigree

any identification by looking on its physical view?

meron ba ganon doc? or maniniwala nalang tayo sa sabi ng farm


tnx


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: Wrangler on July 06, 2009, 10:42:22 AM
Usually etong mga ggp, gp, ps/f1 or these hybrid hogs may mga certificates mga yan na ibibigay sau pag bibili ka. Tanong ko lang doc kung my mga ngchecheck ba sa mga breeder farms dito sa pinas kung talagang may quality control sila? Kasi pwde naman nilang sabihin na yung products nila ay high quality or met/exceeded the criteria as a breeders.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: sanico on July 06, 2009, 09:22:29 PM
Hi Doc,
What is synthetic breeding ? May nagsabi sa akin na ang nabili kong 3 gilts sa malaking
at kilala na breeding farm ay synthetic  breeding daw, kasi ito ang program ng kilalang farm daw.
And if ever it is synthetic breed, maging maayos ba ang slaughter pig nito? Thanks.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on July 07, 2009, 09:12:05 PM
synthetic breed in simple terms yun bloodline ng kanilang pigs.

Ex dalland, it is a synthetic breed with a bloodline of landrace largewhite, although the exact proportion is a trade secret.

In essence if you say synthetic breed it is equal to brand name or hybrid.Although usually the full potential of the synthetic breed  can be attained if you will mate it with the same/ recommended synthetic breed of the company. In short sa kanila ka rin bibili ng barako.

But it doesn't mean if you will use other boar that it will produce inferior piglets. Still you will have a superior piglets but not as superior as those  from mixing the recommended breed.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: sanico on July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM
Thanks Doc. Ngayon malinaw na sa akin ang sinasabi nila.

synthetic breed in simple terms yun bloodline ng kanilang pigs.

Ex dalland, it is a synthetic breed with a bloodline of landrace largewhite, although the exact proportion is a trade secret.

In essence if you say synthetic breed it is equal to brand name or hybrid.Although usually the full potential of the synthetic breed  can be attained if you will mate it with the same/ recommended synthetic breed of the company. In short sa kanila ka rin bibili ng barako.

But it doesn't mean if you will use other boar that it will produce inferior piglets. Still you will have a superior piglets but not as superior as those  from mixing the recommended breed.



Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: baby prince on July 08, 2009, 07:48:24 AM
doc pwede po bang malaman kung anong ibig sabihin ng GGP, GP, PS/F1?wala pa po kasi akong nalalaman sa mga breed ng baboy po kasi last march pa po kasi kami ng-umpisa sa pagbababoyan.
salamat po. ;D


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on July 08, 2009, 07:36:08 PM
GGP=great grand parents
GP=Grand Parent
PS= Parent stock
F1= First felial generation

Usually the piglets of F1 and / or PS are the one which is being sold as slaughter pigs.
GP piglets are the ones that are used as sow(F1 and / or PS)
GGP sila yun mother ng GP.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: rhodelta on April 11, 2010, 10:39:37 PM
Hi Doc,

Question? do we have a new imported bread called cambordia or combordia if I'm not mistaken. Reason kasi I've bought a piglets na yong boar is cambordia raw then large white yong ina. Curious lang po.  :) :) :) Lastly, yong sow farm na bilhan ko okey naman yong result nag baboy niya malake yong mga fattener niya.

Thanks


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on April 12, 2010, 09:06:22 PM
camborough po...

This breed is from PIC


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: rhodelta on April 12, 2010, 11:10:46 PM
Salamat po Doc sa information it helps a lot on my end. :)


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: baby prince on April 20, 2010, 09:34:53 AM
hi doc nemo,
i bought a sow na camborough asia daw to doc, buntis na xa ngayon at ngayong 25 ng abril ang ika 114 days nya po.,
tanong ko lang po ay, normal lang po ba na simula kahapon ay nagpapakita na sya ng signs na manganganak na xa pro hanggang ngayon ay nawala na naman.,

ok lang po ba na papaligoan ko xa doc kahit malapit na siyang manganak? kc sa tingin ko parang naiinitan lang po xa doc.

salamat po.. hoping for your immediate response..

thank you and God bless..


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on April 20, 2010, 06:31:03 PM
So far scientifically speaking ala naman masama kung papaliguan siya. Just remember na kung papaliguan nyo siya ay wag nyo bibiglaan. Yun tipong sobrang hingal na hingal tapos babasain nyo ng tubig agad. dahan dahan po sa pagbasa. As much as possible bring down the outside temperature first before nyo siya paliguan.

basabasain nyo muna yun bubong, sahig etc. bago nya siya basain


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: tomato_sus on April 27, 2010, 05:54:17 AM
Doc ask ko lang po...

maachieve po ba natin na magkaroon GP/pureline sa pamamagitan ng paguupgrade lang?
f1 cross to LW, litter will be cross to LW and so on... ? is this feasable?


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on April 27, 2010, 09:46:29 PM
Technically pag paulit ulit magiging 99.9999 siya so considered pure na rin siya . pero time consuming ito... better bili ka nalang ng purebreed.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: ongito on May 18, 2010, 12:03:24 AM
doc, on average, how much is does a purebreed cost?


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on May 19, 2010, 09:33:12 PM
depende sa supply and demand.... siguro mga F1 ngayon 16- 18 t


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: evjenov on August 31, 2010, 12:21:56 PM
doc,
tanung ko lng kung yong mga binili kung sow sa farm ay pwedeng mag produce ng inahin na gagamitin ko para mag produce ng fattiner? Kailangan po bang ma ai sila ng magandnag lahi? Salamat po ng marami.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on August 31, 2010, 09:47:00 PM
Pwede mo naman siyang ibreed yun nga lang performance wise hindi automatic na ibig sabihin na maganda ang iaanak nito. It would depend sa performance ng animal . In general naman kasi kung maganda ang puno malaman maganda din ang bunga....
Kung hindi naman naging sakitin ang kanilang baboy, mabilis lumaki, matipid sa pagkain then most probably maganda siyang maging nanay....

Yes kailangan din na yun barako ay maganda din ang lahi


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: jenny_pretty18 on September 10, 2010, 07:49:18 AM
Good day Doc Nemo,

We have one gilt that is expecting to farrow last September 8. We observed it for 24 hours and until now (September 10) but still there are no signs of pregnancy or farrowing. The mammary glands don't secrete milk and as my father touched the belly he didn't feel any movement inside. How can we be sure about its pregnancy and farrowing? To be prepared for the farrowing, I already bought some medicines: oxytocin, penstrep and sulpyrin? I will also buy light bulb, providone-iodine, thread, scissors, blade, rag, side cutter. What else should I prepare for the delivery of piglets? What are the important things that we should do and remember during farrowing and delivery of piglets? What else can I do to give warmth to the newborn piglets?

Thanks and God bless.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: lilsmoke on November 19, 2010, 07:25:52 AM
doc ma tanung lang . kung ung F1 LW/LR X GP ano po ang result nito? mas mababa ang lahi nito o mas mataas pa sa F1? Curious lang ako  ::)


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on November 20, 2010, 08:02:22 PM
IT would depend sa performance nila...

Yun F1 F2, F3 etc... designation lang yan it doesnt really mean anything aside sa bloodline... PArang in layman terms it means anak, apo, apo sa tuhod , etc...


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: along_dg on March 13, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
Good Day! dok balak ko po bumuli sa PIC ng Gilt,,camborough,,,,,,,ano po ba characteristics n2 at performance since synthetic po ang mga ito,,tama po ba?? sabi naman po ng iba di daw maganda kumuha ng ggawin inahin sa mga anak nito at mahihina daw po ang camborough,,,,anu po masasabi nyo about dito,,,alam nmn po natin na mahal ang gilt lalo na sa farm,,kaya po nagtatanong tanong muna ako,,,sana po matulungan nyo ako,,,salamat po...


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on March 13, 2011, 08:26:49 PM
Mixed po kasi ang narereceive ko na comment about camborough meron nagsasabi pangit meron nagsasabi maganda.

one tip i received from a multiplier kaya daw minsan pangit ang comment about camborough possible na ang pinagkunan is from a tunnel vent facility kaya nun nilipat sa ordinary system/ conventional housing hindi nagperform ng maganda.

So kung bibili ka ask ka kung saan maggagaling yun baboy, mas malapit the better and kung ano ang system nila dun. Stay away ka sa mga gumagamit ng tunnel vent.


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: along_dg on March 13, 2011, 10:47:39 PM
salamat po ng marami


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: lito3115 on May 28, 2011, 03:07:27 PM
i see now. mahirap kase ung design ng piggery ko coz of the location. maburol sya kaya ung ibang crate na lilipatan ay nasa itaas na parte kumbaga first floor and second floor, wala naman syang hagdanan kundi slant na daanan lamang. takot ang baboy pababa so kind of need to apply force to it.siguro ilipat lahat ng crate sa the same elevation na lang.

Kuyang, how about using yun kulungan pag nagtitimbang, tapos buhatin na lang....


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: baboypig on June 07, 2012, 04:40:06 PM
Doc Nemo totoo bang ang PIC breed na sow nila Camborough (sows) 22, 24 at 36  /  Maging ang PIC Sircs (boars) 337, 399, 380 at 422
Eh mga crossbreeds. may nagsasabi 3way crossess daw breeds ng PIC totoo po kaya yun doc?


Title: Re: Breeding 101
Post by: nemo on June 07, 2012, 09:29:11 PM
Greetings!
 
di ko po sure kung ito ay crossbreed or 3way cross...

kung sakali po na ito ay 3-way cross, ano po ba ang concern nila?

Ang aking assumption ang inyong concern ay kung ito ay 3 way cross hindi ito magiging magandang inahin kasi sabi sa book ang 3way cross ay pang fattener/pangbenta na baboy? tama po ba?

kung ito po ang concern nila gusto ko lang po sabihin na sa current technology natin hindi na po masyadong applicable ito. Whether crossbred or 3-way siya as long as nakapasa/humigit pa siya sa standard na ginawa ng breeding farm or industry then good ito as ibenta na breeder.